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Out of all the Presidents who were reelected, which one least deserved it?
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Topic: Out of all the Presidents who were reelected, which one least deserved it? (Read 4624 times)
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My bad your correct it was ratified after he died.
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Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.
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Definitely George W. Bush -had it not been for 9/11, he would have been another one-term president, like his father.
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Quote from: Frodo on July 03, 2010, 12:46:37 pm
Definitely George W. Bush -had it not been for 9/11, he would have been another one-term president, like his father.
Whatever as bad as I hate him Dubya would have cruised to re-election without 9/11. 9/11 led to Iraq which almost brought him down.
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Quote from: Frodo on July 03, 2010, 12:46:37 pm
Definitely George W. Bush -had it not been for 9/11, he would have been another one-term president, like his father.
What makes you say that?
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Quote from: Derek on July 04, 2010, 02:01:28 pm
Quote from: Frodo on July 03, 2010, 12:46:37 pm
Definitely George W. Bush -had it not been for 9/11, he would have been another one-term president, like his father.
What makes you say that?
his popularity was based on 9/11 and the myth that he was keeping us safe.
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Re: Out of all the Presidents who were relected, which one least deserved it?
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I just pruned all of the posts that dealt with the constitutionality of secession without mentioning whether a president was deserving of reelection. Since those posts had degenerated into bickering back and forth, I didn't bother to separate them out into a thread, but just deleted them. However, feel free to start a new thread discussing the topic if you wish.
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Quote from: Derek on July 01, 2010, 08:17:42 pm
Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.
Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.
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Re: Out of all the Presidents who were relected, which one least deserved it?
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Quote from: cpeeks on July 05, 2010, 12:44:47 pm
Quote from: Derek on July 01, 2010, 08:17:42 pm
Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.
Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.
Just because a President was popular doesn't mean he should have deserved being reelected if his most of his policies/actions were bad. Truman wasn't reelected--he was elected once in 1948 (when his approvals were about the same as Bush Jr.'s in 2004). LBJ wasn't reelected either--he was elected once in 1964, when he had very high approval ratings. There were no polls when Wilson was President, and thus it's impossible to know exactly what his approvals were. However, judging by his margin of victory in 1916, Wilson's approval ratings were probably about the same as Bush Jr.'s were in 2004. And Bush Jr.'s disapproval ratings were higher than any other President's were.
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Quote from: Rochambeau on July 05, 2010, 12:57:32 pm
Quote from: cpeeks on July 05, 2010, 12:44:47 pm
Quote from: Derek on July 01, 2010, 08:17:42 pm
Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.
Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.
Just because a President was popular doesn't mean he should have deserved being reelected if his most of his policies/actions were bad.
Truman wasn't reelected--he was elected once in 1948 (when his approvals were about the same as Bush Jr.'s in 2004). LBJ wasn't reelected either--he was elected once in 1964, when he had very high approval ratings. There were no polls when Wilson was President, and thus it's impossible to know exactly what his approvals were. However, judging by his margin of victory in 1916, Wilson's approval ratings were probably about the same as Bush Jr.'s were in 2004. And Bush Jr.'s disapproval ratings were higher than any other President's were.
I agree with that statement.
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Quote from: cpeeks on July 05, 2010, 12:44:47 pm
Quote from: Derek on July 01, 2010, 08:17:42 pm
Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.
Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.
What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?
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Re: Out of all the Presidents who were relected, which one least deserved it?
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Quote from: Derek on July 07, 2010, 02:16:20 am
Quote from: cpeeks on July 05, 2010, 12:44:47 pm
Quote from: Derek on July 01, 2010, 08:17:42 pm
Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.
Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.
What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?
I don't know whose source is correct, but just because a President was popular on Election Day doesn't mean he deserved to get reelected if most of his policies were bad.
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Quote from: Derek on July 07, 2010, 02:16:20 am
Quote from: cpeeks on July 05, 2010, 12:44:47 pm
Quote from: Derek on July 01, 2010, 08:17:42 pm
Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.
Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.
What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?
I don't know whose source is correct, but just because a President was popular on Election Day doesn't mean he deserved to get reelected if most of his policies were bad.
Then you're talking about nothing other than personal opinions. If opinions were the case I'd have to say FDR but I'm above opinions as are most of the members of this forum.
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His approval ratings election night was in the mid 40's, and ironically I believe I seen that on fox news that no president had ever been re-elected with approval ratings below 50%. I mean if his approval ratings were 53% the race wouldnt have been as close as it was, against one of the worst candidates in history. And as far Truman goes he was never "re-elected", only elected in 1948, his re-election would have taken place in 1952.
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Quote from: Derek on July 11, 2010, 02:52:43 pm
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Quote from: cpeeks on July 05, 2010, 12:44:47 pm
Quote from: Derek on July 01, 2010, 08:17:42 pm
Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.
Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.
What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?
I don't know whose source is correct, but just because a President was popular on Election Day doesn't mean he deserved to get reelected if most of his policies were bad.
Then you're talking about nothing other than personal opinions. If opinions were the case I'd have to say FDR but I'm above opinions as are most of the members of this forum.
I asked this question with regards to personal opinions.
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Quote from: cpeeks on July 05, 2010, 12:44:47 pm
Quote from: Derek on July 01, 2010, 08:17:42 pm
Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.
Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.
What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?
I don't know whose source is correct, but just because a President was popular on Election Day doesn't mean he deserved to get reelected if most of his policies were bad.
Then you're talking about nothing other than personal opinions. If opinions were the case I'd have to say FDR but I'm above opinions as are most of the members of this forum.
I asked this question with regards to personal opinions.
Well than that's FDR, because he was a socialist who wanted to stack the supreme court. Look people here are above simple minded opinions that come with no research or knowledge of facts.
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Re: Out of all the Presidents who were relected, which one least deserved it?
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Quote from: cpeeks on July 05, 2010, 12:44:47 pm
Quote from: Derek on July 01, 2010, 08:17:42 pm
Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.
Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.
What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?
I don't know whose source is correct, but just because a President was popular on Election Day doesn't mean he deserved to get reelected if most of his policies were bad.
Then you're talking about nothing other than personal opinions. If opinions were the case I'd have to say FDR but I'm above opinions as are most of the members of this forum.
I asked this question with regards to personal opinions.
Well than that's FDR, because he was a socialist who wanted to stack the supreme court. Look people here are above simple minded opinions that come with no research or knowledge of facts.
FDR was not a socialist. He preserved a free-market economy. And most people here back up their opinions with facts.
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Quote from: Rochambeau on July 12, 2010, 12:05:13 am
FDR was not a socialist. He preserved a free-market economy.
While FDR was no socialist, he certainly wasn't pro free-market either. Judging by the NRA and the AAA of the New Deal, I'd call him a
corporatist
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Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.
Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.
What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?
I don't know whose source is correct, but just because a President was popular on Election Day doesn't mean he deserved to get reelected if most of his policies were bad.
Then you're talking about nothing other than personal opinions. If opinions were the case I'd have to say FDR but I'm above opinions as are most of the members of this forum.
I asked this question with regards to personal opinions.
Well than that's FDR, because he was a socialist who wanted to stack the supreme court. Look people here are above simple minded opinions that come with no research or knowledge of facts.
FDR was not a socialist. He preserved a free-market economy. And most people here back up their opinions with facts.
Most people here form their opinions by doing research to find what causes the facts. Not just say ok the unemployment rate is high or low so I do or don't like this president.
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Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.
Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.
What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?
I don't know whose source is correct, but just because a President was popular on Election Day doesn't mean he deserved to get reelected if most of his policies were bad.
Then you're talking about nothing other than personal opinions. If opinions were the case I'd have to say FDR but I'm above opinions as are most of the members of this forum.
I asked this question with regards to personal opinions.
Well than that's FDR, because he was a socialist who wanted to stack the supreme court. Look people here are above simple minded opinions that come with no research or knowledge of facts.
FDR was not a socialist. He preserved a free-market economy. And most people here back up their opinions with facts.
Most people here form their opinions by doing research to find what causes the facts. Not just say ok the unemployment rate is high or low so I do or don't like this president.
Exactly. But people here still form strong opinions based on the facts which they found.
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Quote from: True Federalist on July 12, 2010, 12:17:28 am
Quote from: Rochambeau on July 12, 2010, 12:05:13 am
FDR was not a socialist. He preserved a free-market economy.
While FDR was no socialist, he certainly wasn't pro free-market either. Judging by the NRA and the AAA of the New Deal, I'd call him a
corporatist
.
How on earth could you say he wasnt a socialist, the social security act, tva, ccc, was nothing but socialism.
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Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.
Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.
What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?
Truman wasn't reelected, just elected once.
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Quote from: cpeeks on July 12, 2010, 03:44:18 pm
Quote from: True Federalist on July 12, 2010, 12:17:28 am
Quote from: Rochambeau on July 12, 2010, 12:05:13 am
FDR was not a socialist. He preserved a free-market economy.
While FDR was no socialist, he certainly wasn't pro free-market either. Judging by the NRA and the AAA of the New Deal, I'd call him a
corporatist
.
How on earth could you say he wasnt a socialist, the social security act, tva, ccc, was nothing but socialism.
The TVA and the various electric cooperative are examples of socialistic corporatism. I wouldn't consider the CCC to be socialism, as the work was that was done was done on lands already in the public domain, and the camps themselves were organized largely on the principles of nationalistic corpratism. As for the Social Security Act, it most decidedly is corporatist in nature but the level of Social Security benefits are not set according to socialist principles at all, so to call it socialist is quite inaccurate. I'll grant that LBJ's Great Society did add a socialist flavor to the Social Security Act as it now exists. But then again LBJ was a social democrat, whereas FDR was not. FDR quite clearly was a corporatist.
It seems you are using "socialism" as a way of referring to government policies that diverge from laissez-faire principles, but that much more accurately describes corporatism than it does socialism.
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Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.
Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.
What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?
Truman wasn't reelected, just elected once.
Congratulations on splitting hairs. Is it really about being elected or reelected? Or is it about the approval rating on election night? Oh I think we can agree it's the latter and you've changed the subject to find the nitty gritty. Truman's approval rating was 49% when he was reelected.
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