Heaven, Hell, Reincarnation, and other "end points"

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The end is a wooden box and a bunch of worms.

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Our bodies are all we have.  Once that's gone, we're gone.

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Our bodies are all we have.  Once that's gone, we're gone.

The body is the prison house of the soul.

The soul is an invention to make us feel better, as is heaven.

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Our bodies are all we have.  Once that's gone, we're gone.

The body is the prison house of the soul.

The soul is an invention to make us feel better, as is heaven.

Not necessarily, what about the mind's awareness of itself. That is what constitutes existence. Can that thought be destroyed?

Easily, with a good whack on the head a person can have no awareness of himself.  Thought and awareness is a system of chemical reactions in our brains.  A little jostle of that organ and we're worse off than most other animals.

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You're viewing God as finite. God is not limited to what we know to be matter or anything necessary for creation.

Do you have evidence for this?

No because I'm finite. You keep insisting that everything can be understood from the finite point of view and it just can't. We'll never know all the answers and that is part of being human. If God could be limited then by definition that would not be God and we're back to finding God.

Then why do Christians (and people of most religions) claim to be right?  If we can't possibly understand what's going on, then how come you claim to?  And tell us we're wrong about it?

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That's their religions and religions are taken very seriously. Most people do not look into things like you, me, and the other people on this forum. Some will tell you that you're wrong because they believe that with their beliefs they will be saved. Many religious people do not know the entirety of what they believe in. I don't know that it's such a bad thing to be religious either though. It has clearly helped with individual success and made people live better lives. Religion has alot of positive things to offer. Does it really matter if they're right or wrong?

That's...exactly what I'm saying.  People approach religion as if they're undeniably correct, yourself included, then say that God is infinite and cannot be understood.

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That's their religions and religions are taken very seriously. Most people do not look into things like you, me, and the other people on this forum. Some will tell you that you're wrong because they believe that with their beliefs they will be saved. Many religious people do not know the entirety of what they believe in. I don't know that it's such a bad thing to be religious either though. It has clearly helped with individual success and made people live better lives. Religion has alot of positive things to offer. Does it really matter if they're right or wrong?

That's...exactly what I'm saying.  People approach religion as if they're undeniably correct, yourself included, then say that God is infinite and cannot be understood.

How have I approached religion that way? I have my theories and views that I've developed through years of research. I don't hold my views because I was taught to never think otherwise. I hope you have read my views on here in regards to creation, Moses, Jesus, the disciples, and gnosticism.

Research in...the Bible.  Your own way of thinking.  I'm not talking about telling other Christians about how right or wrong they are about Christianity, I'm talking about religion in general.

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I've studied other religions too. Religion really is geographically based. Either way I don't think that God would have to have a religion. God would be above religion.

Aaaaaaand you still don't get it...surprise!

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I've studied other religions too. Religion really is geographically based. Either way I don't think that God would have to have a religion. God would be above religion.

Aaaaaaand you still don't get it...surprise!

What is there to get? Now you're off topic.

wow

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I've studied other religions too. Religion really is geographically based. Either way I don't think that God would have to have a religion. God would be above religion.

Aaaaaaand you still don't get it...surprise!

What is there to get? Now you're off topic.

wow

Stop it.

What?

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So do you think it matters if we're right or wrong?

See my VERY FIRST post on the matter.

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You think we get eaten by worms? Well our bodies do.

What does that have to do with the question?

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You think we get eaten by worms? Well our bodies do.

What does that have to do with the question?

Isn't that your first post on here about the topic?

What on earth?  Are you a goldfish?  You asked me if I think being "right" is important and in my very first post that's exactly what I said.

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You think we get eaten by worms? Well our bodies do.

What does that have to do with the question?

Isn't that your first post on here about the topic?

What on earth?  Are you a goldfish?  You asked me if I think being "right" is important and in my very first post that's exactly what I said.

So you think it does or doesn't matter if we're right? I can't seem to find it.

I quite obviously don't, but that has nothing to do with the issue.  The issue is that you do while also claiming your God is infinite and can't be understood (like I said from the very beginning).  How can you be right about something you yourself can't understand?

I like this evolution in you, acting like we're the ones shying away or not answering questions.  It's funny.