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NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 11, 2013, 04:44:16 pm »
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Company Cutbacks Protection Act
1. In case of company cutbacks, the employer has the right to dismiss employees. The employees have the right to be compensated, up to twelve months of salary depending on the time with the employer.
2. No employer can give its management a bonus for two years after reorganization.
3. No employer can give its management a raise higher than 5% for three years after reorganization.
4. Employers have the duty to assist employees dismissed after cutbacks in finding new work. This duty exist until six months after dismissal or when the former employee refuses four job offers obtained by their former employer.
5. The employer have the right to designated part of the dismissal compensation to educational purposes for the employee.
Sponsor:Secretary Earthling
Secretary you have 24 hours to advocate for this bill. Debate shall last for 72 hours.
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Northeast Rep Snowball
hiboby1998
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 12, 2013, 08:43:21 am »
way to many loopholes in this bill, a company could give an employe 4 Sh[inks] job offers, then get out of that part. Also, define cutbacks, or reorganization, because a company could just slowly fire people to avoid getting any of these restrictions.
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Quote from: drj101 on January 24, 2013, 08:50:00 pm
Make them bigger again pls
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 12, 2013, 08:55:47 am »
Surely a cutback is any case where the employee is fired, not for breaking the law/ company policy, but just because of budgetary concerns. Basically where the employee is not at fault.
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Secretary of Labor Earthling
Earthling
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 14, 2013, 10:16:50 am »
That is right.
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 14, 2013, 10:26:22 am »
Quote from: Northeast Rep Snowball on May 12, 2013, 08:43:21 am
way to many loopholes in this bill, a company could give an employee 4 Sh[inks] job offers, then get out of that part. Also, define cutbacks, or reorganization, because a company could just slowly fire people to avoid getting any of these restrictions.
The company should help the employee find a new job. The job should be on the same level as with the old job and the employee should be able get the job.
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Northeast Rep Snowball
hiboby1998
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 14, 2013, 12:06:14 pm »
Why would the company do that, the employe is no longer working for you, and doing the research to find that is a lot harder than throwing 4 random offers at them.
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Quote from: drj101 on January 24, 2013, 08:50:00 pm
Make them bigger again pls
Northeast Representative Goldwater
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 14, 2013, 06:05:24 pm »
I get why employers shouldn't give management a raise immediately after reorganization, but three years is too excessive IMO.
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HPoirot
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 14, 2013, 11:17:00 pm »
Management can get a raise, just not over 5%. I imagine it's for not giving a big reward for cutbacks. There is not much room to lower the number of years. Only 1 year would be useless for a yearly raise, so it leaves two years if there needs to be a compromise.
On point 4, does someone know if assisting workers is required by law in some European countries? I know some companies here help laid off workers find a new job but I think it's voluntary.
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Secretary of Labor Earthling
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 15, 2013, 04:20:01 am »
Quote from: Northeast Rep Snowball on May 14, 2013, 12:06:14 pm
Why would the company do that, the employe is no longer working for you, and doing the research to find that is a lot harder than throwing 4 random offers at them.
A company knows it needs to lay of people weeks if not months before it happens. So they can use that time to start the search for potential jobs for your employees. And companies work with eachother, finding possible job offers shouldn't be so hard.
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 15, 2013, 04:24:15 am »
Quote from: Poirot (NE Rep HP) on May 14, 2013, 11:17:00 pm
On point 4, does someone know if assisting workers is required by law in some European countries? I know some companies here help laid off workers find a new job but I think it's voluntary.
I don't know if it's required by law in the Netherlands, I believe it is, but I am not sure. But it is done a lot here. But it is a positive thing to do. Every laid off worker that gets a new job immediately is one person less on benefits.
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 15, 2013, 06:03:16 am »
I'm not sure I can support section 5. I think it should be the employees choice how he spends his compensation, and I'm not really sure its the employers business.
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 15, 2013, 11:18:35 am »
I'm proposing an amendment
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Company Cutbacks Protection Act
1. In case of company cutbacks, the employer has the right to dismiss employees. The employees have the right to be compensated, up to twelve months of salary depending on the time with the employer.
2. No employer can give its management a bonus for two years after reorganization.
3. No employer can give its management a raise higher than 5% for three years after reorganization.
4. Employers have the duty to assist employees dismissed after cutbacks in finding new work. This duty exist until six months after dismissal or when the former employee refuses four job offers obtained by their former employer.
5. The employer have the right to designated part of the dismissal compensation to educational purposes for the employee
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Secretary of Labor Earthling
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 15, 2013, 11:44:27 am »
I don't support this amendment because I think it's important that employee keep up on education. Labor always changing, new thinks are being entered on the workplace on a daily basis. It's good for employees to keep up with the times. Otherwise it could become more and more difficult for them to get a job.
It's also not required for every employee. Some jobs hardly change, so education is less required. But other jobs change constantly or even disappear all together. Those workers can use the education options to help themselves.
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 15, 2013, 03:30:40 pm »
Quote from: Secretary of Labor Earthling on May 15, 2013, 11:44:27 am
I don't support this amendment because I think it's important that employee keep up on education. Labor always changing, new thinks are being entered on the workplace on a daily basis. It's good for employees to keep up with the times. Otherwise it could become more and more difficult for them to get a job.
It's also not required for every employee. Some jobs hardly change, so education is less required. But other jobs change constantly or even disappear all together. Those workers can use the education options to help themselves.
I don't disagree that its important for there to be the option for re education, I just think that it should be the employee and not the employer who decides.
Anyway, representatives will now vote aye or nay on the amendment. Voting shall last 24 hours, or until all representatives have voted.
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 15, 2013, 03:31:39 pm »
Aye
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Northeast Representative Goldwater
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 15, 2013, 06:28:10 pm »
NAY
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NHI
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 16, 2013, 09:53:11 am »
nay.
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Northeast Rep Snowball
hiboby1998
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 16, 2013, 12:08:29 pm »
nay, and stop NHI
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Quote from: drj101 on January 24, 2013, 08:50:00 pm
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 16, 2013, 12:27:07 pm »
Quote from: Northeast Rep Snowball on May 16, 2013, 12:08:29 pm
nay, and stop NHI
Whatever do you mean by "stop NHI", Mr. Ball?
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NHI
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 16, 2013, 08:23:06 pm »
Have I done something to offend?
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 16, 2013, 08:25:35 pm »
NHI is no longer a member of the Assembly because he did not declare for the last election, which was weeks ago.
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 17, 2013, 03:35:54 am »
The amendment fails, with one aye and two nays.
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 18, 2013, 01:23:27 pm »
Right folks, time to put this to a vote. Voting shall last 48 hours or until all representatives have voted.
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 18, 2013, 05:23:34 pm »
ABSTAIN
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Re: NE1 Company Cutbacks Protection Act
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May 18, 2013, 06:50:34 pm »
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