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« on: July 09, 2010, 12:55:21 am »
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Let's say that Ron Paul won the Republican nomination (against all odds) and defeated Al Gore (again, against all odds) for the presidency. Everything stays the same generally, up until 9/11. How would Ron Paul have handled it? What would be his response? Would he invade Afghanistan? I'm genuinely interested.
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2010, 12:57:26 am »
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9/11 wouldn't have happened, but if it did, Paul would have called for letters of marque and reprisal against those responsible.
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2010, 12:59:02 am »
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9/11 wouldn't have happened.

Why?
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2010, 01:05:40 am »
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He'd blame America, like he always does.  And then he wouldn't do anything about it.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2010, 01:10:55 am »
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He'd blame America, like he always does.  And then he wouldn't do anything about it.
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People who truly love America hate your neoconservative foreign policy.
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2010, 08:29:18 am »
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Ron Paul would have crushed the terrorists before they got on to the plane with his pure libertarian charisma. His approval rating would not increase because of it, having already reached the maximum of 100% seven months prior.
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2010, 09:40:56 am »
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I don't agree with Libertas about 9/11 not happening, but he's right about marque and reprisal. Ron Paul has introduced Marque and Reprisal Acts in Congress (specifically for Osama Bin Laden right after 9/11), and has said that he wanted to use them against the Somalian Pirates. I don't think he would have invaded Afghanistan.
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2010, 02:27:31 pm »
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He would have gave the Taliban an ultimatum like Bush Jr. did. If they failed to fullfill all the obligations there, he would have invaded Afghanistan and established a new govt. there. Paul would have argued that since al-Qaeda attacked us, nation building would be good in this case.
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2010, 11:48:04 am »
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He'd issue a fatwa
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2010, 10:24:50 pm »
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He would have gave the Taliban an ultimatum like Bush Jr. did. If they failed to fullfill all the obligations there, he would have invaded Afghanistan and established a new govt. there. Paul would have argued that since al-Qaeda attacked us, nation building would be good in this case.

Another argument for Rochambeau being the most subtle troll in forum history.

Anyway, Letters of Marque?  Seriously?  Would we have hired mercenaries and privateers to track down al Qaeda?
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2010, 02:55:34 pm »
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That's a scary thought. He might at least try to secure the border though.
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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2010, 08:59:10 pm »

Anyway, Letters of Marque?  Seriously?  Would we have hired mercenaries and privateers to track down al Qaeda?

Haven't we already hired a bunch of mercenaries (Blackwater et al.)?  Given that they generally served to make the situation worse in Iraq, not better, I wouldn't consider going to an all mercenary option an improvement.
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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2010, 10:36:48 am »
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Bumping this because it's an interesting topic.

Ron Paul would've probably:

1) Done the "Marque and Reprisal" thing
2) Secured the border
3) Let Laisezz Faire economics take its course and destroy terrorism. "Peace is a powerful message".
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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2010, 03:25:15 pm »
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Bumping this because it's an interesting topic.

Ron Paul would've probably:

1) Done the "Marque and Reprisal" thing
2) Secured the border
3) Let Laisezz Faire economics take its course and destroy terrorism. "Peace is a powerful message".

How would Laissezz-Faire economics destroy terrorism?
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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2010, 03:28:25 pm »
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Bumping this because it's an interesting topic.

Ron Paul would've probably:

1) Done the "Marque and Reprisal" thing
2) Secured the border
3) Let Laisezz Faire economics take its course and destroy terrorism. "Peace is a powerful message".


How would Laissezz-Faire economics destroy terrorism?

Sarcastic jab at Libertarian anti-terrorism tactics (do nothing)
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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2010, 03:40:54 pm »
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Bumping this because it's an interesting topic.

Ron Paul would've probably:

1) Done the "Marque and Reprisal" thing
2) Secured the border
3) Let Laisezz Faire economics take its course and destroy terrorism. "Peace is a powerful message".


How would Laissezz-Faire economics destroy terrorism?

Sarcastic jab at Libertarian anti-terrorism tactics (do nothing)

I kind of find the "Margue and Reprisal" idea hilliarious. I guess because it conjures up imagery of pirates and whatnot in my mind.
President Paul would create the American East India Company to deal with Al Queada!
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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2010, 11:17:51 pm »
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Bumping this because it's an interesting topic.

Ron Paul would've probably:

1) Done the "Marque and Reprisal" thing
2) Secured the border
3) Let Laisezz Faire economics take its course and destroy terrorism. "Peace is a powerful message".


How would Laissezz-Faire economics destroy terrorism?

Sarcastic jab at Libertarian anti-terrorism tactics (do nothing)

See, there's lots of room for agreement between statist Republicans and statist Democrats.


I can't believe people are still hyped up on fear of the "terrorist" boogeyman.
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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2010, 11:28:13 pm »
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Bumping this because it's an interesting topic.

Ron Paul would've probably:

1) Done the "Marque and Reprisal" thing
2) Secured the border
3) Let Laisezz Faire economics take its course and destroy terrorism. "Peace is a powerful message".


How would Laissezz-Faire economics destroy terrorism?

Sarcastic jab at Libertarian anti-terrorism tactics (do nothing)

I kind of find the "Margue and Reprisal" idea hilliarious. I guess because it conjures up imagery of pirates and whatnot in my mind.
President Paul would create the American East India Company to deal with Al Queada!

No need to create it -- Blackwater was ready to fill the role.
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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2010, 11:53:43 pm »
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Bumping this because it's an interesting topic.

Ron Paul would've probably:

1) Done the "Marque and Reprisal" thing
2) Secured the border
3) Let Laisezz Faire economics take its course and destroy terrorism. "Peace is a powerful message".


How would Laissezz-Faire economics destroy terrorism?

Sarcastic jab at Libertarian anti-terrorism tactics (do nothing)

I kind of find the "Margue and Reprisal" idea hilliarious. I guess because it conjures up imagery of pirates and whatnot in my mind.
President Paul would create the American East India Company to deal with Al Queada!

No need to create it -- Blackwater was ready to fill the role.


Unsurprisingly the red avatars can't make a distinction between hiring a third party to locate a suspected terrorist, and hiring mercenaries to assist in blowing up multiple countries. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2010, 11:57:11 pm »

Bumping this because it's an interesting topic.

Ron Paul would've probably:

1) Done the "Marque and Reprisal" thing
2) Secured the border
3) Let Laisezz Faire economics take its course and destroy terrorism. "Peace is a powerful message".


How would Laissezz-Faire economics destroy terrorism?

Sarcastic jab at Libertarian anti-terrorism tactics (do nothing)

If we hadn't been mucking around in the Middle East in the first place then the terrorists would have fewer reasons to focus on us instead of someone else.  Problem is we have been stuck on this merry-go-round ever since the Abadan Crisis of the early 1950's.  America would have been far better off if we had stayed out of it and let Britain handle it alone.  And that's not even considering any butterflies that might have resulted from the AIOC going bust instead of changing its name to BP.

However, since our perfectly reasonable desire to contain the Soviet Union led to our mucking around over there, if one is really trying to avoid the rise of Islamic terrorism, doing something to prevent the Soviet Union from happening would likely be the best way to deal with the problem.  Get rid of Wilson as President and either the United States enters the Great War earlier or stays completely out of it.  Either result keeps the Bolsheviks from taking power, though the Romanovs would likely have lost their throne.
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2010, 07:24:44 am »
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From what I've read about the culture in the Middle East is that they're most likely to attack a weak looking enemy than a strong one. America experienced minor terrorist attacks in the 1990's, and all we did was shoot cruise missiles at a spot where Osama was long gone from by the time the missiles reached there. The other thing Bill Clinton did in order to fight terrorism is that I heard he tried to bring Osama to court.
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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2010, 08:27:44 am »
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Probably the same, unfortunately.
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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2010, 08:56:21 am »
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Bumping this because it's an interesting topic.

Ron Paul would've probably:

1) Done the "Marque and Reprisal" thing
2) Secured the border
3) Let Laisezz Faire economics take its course and destroy terrorism. "Peace is a powerful message".


How would Laissezz-Faire economics destroy terrorism?

Sarcastic jab at Libertarian anti-terrorism tactics (do nothing)

I kind of find the "Margue and Reprisal" idea hilliarious. I guess because it conjures up imagery of pirates and whatnot in my mind.
President Paul would create the American East India Company to deal with Al Queada!

No need to create it -- Blackwater was ready to fill the role.


Unsurprisingly the red avatars can't make a distinction between hiring a third party to locate a suspected terrorist, and hiring mercenaries to assist in blowing up multiple countries. Roll Eyes

I was simply pointing out that the third party already existed and would not need to be created, as Undecided said. 
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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2011, 06:13:05 pm »
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Probaly would order the relentless bombing of AQ training camps, but I doubt he would invade Afghanistan with ground troops.
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