Did some american voters in 2004 believe in the 'end of history' idea?
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  Did some american voters in 2004 believe in the 'end of history' idea?
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Question: Did they?
#1
Yes, and that helped Bush to win
 
#2
Yes, but that didn't affect the election
 
#3
Maybe, but their number was negible
 
#4
Yes, but actually that helped Kerry a bit more
 
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« on: November 17, 2023, 01:29:31 AM »




- A time before 2007-2009 crisis
- A time where the media focus on China was on its economic reforms
- A time when tensions with Russia was at a relativelt low point
- A time where 'the enemy' was defeteable
- A time were free trade was like at its maximun popularity
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2023, 03:58:29 AM »

I genuinely don't mean this to be insulting, but you're not old enough to remember 2004, are you?
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2023, 06:42:16 PM »

- A time before 2007-2009 crisis
- A time where the media focus on China was on its economic reforms
- A time when tensions with Russia was at a relativelt low point
- A time where 'the enemy' was defeteable
- A time were free trade was like at its maximun popularity

That's 2000.
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2023, 03:21:41 AM »

Many Americans still haven't gotten past the notion that there is no alternative, but the optimism you're referring to was definitely gone by then. 2004 was a very anxious time. Voters wouldn't have thought that the economy was great with promises of endless Internet-driven growth disproven by the dot-com crash, "the enemy" was very much undefeatable in that the War on Terror was a nebulous campaign against an indefinite threat, and Bush had to try hard to paper over the agony of offshoring and manufacturing decline with steel tariffs and gay marriage ballot measures. And while there was still almost a sort of Sinophilia, nor was Russia taken seriously, anxieties over their potential and the unsustainability of American hegemony were part of what made neocon sabre-rattling so popular. Kinda like the 1950s, there was just more of a lid on the issues than there was in the following years, that lid being the post-9/11 nationalist hysteria. This is a bit of a romantic view that imposes a modern perspective on the motivations of people in the past.
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2023, 10:51:58 AM »

No. Not even close.
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2024, 09:12:21 AM »

Many Americans still haven't gotten past the notion that there is no alternative, but the optimism you're referring to was definitely gone by then. 2004 was a very anxious time. Voters wouldn't have thought that the economy was great with promises of endless Internet-driven growth disproven by the dot-com crash, "the enemy" was very much undefeatable in that the War on Terror was a nebulous campaign against an indefinite threat, and Bush had to try hard to paper over the agony of offshoring and manufacturing decline with steel tariffs and gay marriage ballot measures. And while there was still almost a sort of Sinophilia, nor was Russia taken seriously, anxieties over their potential and the unsustainability of American hegemony were part of what made neocon sabre-rattling so popular. Kinda like the 1950s, there was just more of a lid on the issues than there was in the following years, that lid being the post-9/11 nationalist hysteria. This is a bit of a romantic view that imposes a modern perspective on the motivations of people in the past.
Islamophobia was a big issue then. "Terrorists win" was a common slogan as well.
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2024, 11:17:27 AM »

Many Americans still haven't gotten past the notion that there is no alternative, but the optimism you're referring to was definitely gone by then. 2004 was a very anxious time. Voters wouldn't have thought that the economy was great with promises of endless Internet-driven growth disproven by the dot-com crash, "the enemy" was very much undefeatable in that the War on Terror was a nebulous campaign against an indefinite threat, and Bush had to try hard to paper over the agony of offshoring and manufacturing decline with steel tariffs and gay marriage ballot measures. And while there was still almost a sort of Sinophilia, nor was Russia taken seriously, anxieties over their potential and the unsustainability of American hegemony were part of what made neocon sabre-rattling so popular. Kinda like the 1950s, there was just more of a lid on the issues than there was in the following years, that lid being the post-9/11 nationalist hysteria. This is a bit of a romantic view that imposes a modern perspective on the motivations of people in the past.
Islamophobia was a big issue then. "Terrorists win" was a common slogan as well.

Right, very Huntingtonian Clash of Civilizations stuff as I recall, I'm sure a majority were already scoffing at Fukuyama at that point.
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2024, 04:49:23 PM »

I really think that 9/11 made that idea obsolete.
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