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« on: November 03, 2004, 07:32:37 am »
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Does anyone know if any Libertarians won anything this cycle? I don't think we won anything big like I had hoped, but still I'm interested in seeing if we won any new local positions, or even if we lost some positions we held. Can't seem to find anything myself, too many victories for other parties getting in the way of the search.
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2004, 07:43:01 am »
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I heard about some Libertarians running around here but I don't know if any won.

Congrats on the Badnarik vote though. Nader only beat him by a thousand votes.
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2004, 07:45:48 am »
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Congrats on the Badnarik vote though. Nader only beat him by a thousand votes.

Yeah, I was still hoping we would beat Nader though, might have given us some coverage. Nader did crappy compared to his last term, but I expected that much. This year wasn't that good for third party candidates, and the high turnout didn't help in terms of percentage.
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2004, 08:07:21 am »
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Congrats on the Badnarik vote though. Nader only beat him by a thousand votes.

Yeah, I was still hoping we would beat Nader though, might have given us some coverage. Nader did crappy compared to his last term, but I expected that much. This year wasn't that good for third party candidates, and the high turnout didn't help in terms of percentage.


Congrats John, Badnarik broke 1% in Indiana and Idaho.
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2004, 11:43:22 am »
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This was really a pathetic showing for the Libertarians...almost as pathetic as the Democrats! 
They couldn't beat Nader even though Nader was off the ballot in most of the big states and did much worse than expected, and they didn't even get as many votes as they got in 2000.

From what I can tell, Badnarik didn't hit 1% in a single state...he got about .6% in Indiana and Idaho.  In New Mexico, where Libertarian on this board were touting polls showing Badnarik at 3%, he got about 1/10 of that.
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2004, 12:02:52 pm »
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The showing was pathetic for all the third parties, Nick. It's mainly due to the election environment this year - people felt there was too much at stake to vote third party. Taking that into account, I think we did well, not great by any means, but ok. Had this campaign been run in 2000, I think we would have been able to do much better. And Nader would have done crappy even if he had been on the ballot in more states - he was down like 140,000 votes in NY.

And Badnarik broke 1% in Indiana and Idaho - StatesRights said that earlier.
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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2004, 12:18:46 pm »
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Congrats on the Badnarik vote though. Nader only beat him by a thousand votes.

Yeah, I was still hoping we would beat Nader though, might have given us some coverage. Nader did crappy compared to his last term, but I expected that much. This year wasn't that good for third party candidates, and the high turnout didn't help in terms of percentage.


Congrats John, Badnarik broke 1% in Indiana and Idaho.

Badnarik passed Peroutka in Idaho, kinda surprising.  Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2004, 02:23:57 pm »
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The showing was pathetic for all the third parties, Nick. It's mainly due to the election environment this year - people felt there was too much at stake to vote third party. Taking that into account, I think we did well, not great by any means, but ok. Had this campaign been run in 2000, I think we would have been able to do much better. And Nader would have done crappy even if he had been on the ballot in more states - he was down like 140,000 votes in NY.

And Badnarik broke 1% in Indiana and Idaho - StatesRights said that earlier.

In Idaho, Badnarik got 3,836 votes....Bush got 408,000.   So this is clearly much less than 1%.

In Indiana, Badnarik got 18,000, while Kerry and Bush together got about 2.5 million....a little closer, but still well short of 1%.
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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2004, 02:41:17 pm »
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Well, here's some good news for you:  Montana passed Medical Marajuana.
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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2004, 02:58:27 pm »
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The showing was pathetic for all the third parties, Nick. It's mainly due to the election environment this year - people felt there was too much at stake to vote third party. Taking that into account, I think we did well, not great by any means, but ok. Had this campaign been run in 2000, I think we would have been able to do much better. And Nader would have done crappy even if he had been on the ballot in more states - he was down like 140,000 votes in NY.

And Badnarik broke 1% in Indiana and Idaho - StatesRights said that earlier.

In Idaho, Badnarik got 3,836 votes....Bush got 408,000.   So this is clearly much less than 1%.

In Indiana, Badnarik got 18,000, while Kerry and Bush together got about 2.5 million....a little closer, but still well short of 1%.

Guess State's math is off then.
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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2004, 02:59:19 pm »
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Well, here's some good news for you:  Montana passed Medical Marajuana.

Good job for them. Now just you wait till the federal government starts sticking its nose where it doesn't belong.
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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2004, 04:54:06 pm »
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Does anyone know if any Libertarians won anything this cycle? I don't think we won anything big like I had hoped, but still I'm interested in seeing if we won any new local positions, or even if we lost some positions we held. Can't seem to find anything myself, too many victories for other parties getting in the way of the search.

they're spinning like mad at lp.org, that's for sure, unwilling to admit even the born-again crusader beat them out.  overall, not a good day for third parties.  not picking on you, just calling it like I see it. 
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2004, 04:58:47 pm »
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Does anyone know if any Libertarians won anything this cycle? I don't think we won anything big like I had hoped, but still I'm interested in seeing if we won any new local positions, or even if we lost some positions we held. Can't seem to find anything myself, too many victories for other parties getting in the way of the search.

they're spinning like mad at lp.org, that's for sure, unwilling to admit even the born-again crusader beat them out.  overall, not a good day for third parties.  not picking on you, just calling it like I see it. 

No offense taken. It's their job to spin, I suppose. They have to keep morale up, after all.
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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2004, 05:32:58 pm »
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Badnarik didn't do so hot, I'm afraid. When you take into account that Badnarik was on more state ballots than Nader by miles, his performance is especially underwhelming. I thought he'd do better - but no way he'd get 3%.

However, it majorly screwed up my PV % projections by state. Oh well.
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2004, 06:53:18 pm »
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Idaho:

Bush  408,254  68.48%
Kerry  180,920  30.35%
Badnarik  3836  0.64%
Peroutka  3075  0.51%

Indiana

Bush........1,474,475...60.08%
Kerry...........960,899...39.15%
Badnarik.......18,617.....0.75%

California

Kerry......5,427,055...54.57%
Bush.......4,403,495...44.28%
Badnarik......39,793...0.40%
Cobb...........31,679...0.32%
Peltier.........21,616...0.22%
Peroutka.....20,987...0.21%

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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2004, 11:36:14 pm »
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The showing was pathetic for all the third parties, Nick. It's mainly due to the election environment this year - people felt there was too much at stake to vote third party.

Its that way in every election. We are always stuck with two guys we don't want, but one of whom seems to be absolutely unacceptable. Then people feel compelled to pick the lessor evil. I don't think that was a bigger factor this year than in years past.
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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2004, 06:34:29 pm »
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Closest we got was Gonzalez in FL-21. He had 28%, i believe. Something like that.

At one point I believe he had 41.

There were a ton of incumbent/third party only races and Gonzalez was the best out of all of them. On average the third party challenger pulled around 18%.
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« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2004, 07:41:48 pm »
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Closest we got was Gonzalez in FL-21. He had 28%, i believe. Something like that.

At one point I believe he had 41.

There were a ton of incumbent/third party only races and Gonzalez was the best out of all of them. On average the third party challenger pulled around 18%.
Third parties put too much stock on the top race. The LP would do much better to get people who support the LP to run for local races. Eventually, they would build a pool of qualified candidates to gor for state and Federal races.

Another advantage of local races is that many are non-partisan. This allows candidates to build support without being tied to a party label.
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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2004, 04:04:11 pm »
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http://www.lp.org/lpnews/0412/election-wins.html



More than 20 Libertarians elected to office this year


Libertarian candidates for office won several elections on Election Day, adding to the dozens who were elected or appointed to office earlier this year -- and working toward the goal of increasing individual freedom by getting Libertarians elected to public office.

"I think this illustrates that when the Libertarian Party fields quality candidates, competitively funded, the electorate hears and appreciates our message of freedom and responsibility, and rewards us with increasingly higher vote totals -- and in these cases, victory," Libertarian Party Executive Director Joe Seehusen said.

Just a few examples of Libertarians who won on Election Day:

* Libertarian Mary O'Connor was elected to the city council in Brooklyn Center, Minn., coming in second out of four candidates in a non-partisan race where the top two won.

O'Connor garnered 5,024 votes, fewer than opponent Kay Lasman's 5,655 -- but enough to defeat Tom Reynolds, who won 4,207 votes, and Charles F. Nichols Jr., who took 2,851.

* Also in Minnesota, Libertarian Mark Thorsted came in second in a five-way race to become one of two new members on the Otsego City Council. He and co-victor Jessica Stockamp defeated incumbent Jerry Struthers and two other challengers -- Tom Darkenwald and Terri Ruschmeier -- and will serve four-year terms.

* In Florida, longtime Libertarian Jim Culberson was elected in a three-way race to the commission that oversees the Sebastian Inlet Tax District, which includes parts of Brevard and Indian River counties. He garnered 36,129 votes, compared to his opponents' 35,633 and 30,605 votes.

In running for the seat -- a non-partisan race -- Culberson spent approximately $5,700, compared to a war chest of $80,000 directed against him by a local lobbyist, according to Bruce Wechsler, chairman of the Brevard County Libertarian Party.

"The tax district has lost a number of lawsuits recently, costing the taxpayers millions of dollars," Wechsler said, noting that Culberson's election should prove beneficial to both the commission and the area's taxpayers. "Had the district managed its affairs better, the lawsuits could have been avoided or settled at a far lower cost to the taxpayers of Brevard and Indian River counties."

While the Libertarian Party was unable to draw enough votes to affect the outcome of the presidential race -- candidate Michael Badnarik earned approximately 380,000 votes -- the party did affect several state-level races.

* A race for Oregon state representative was apparently decided by Libertarian Tom Cox's involvement. By drawing 9.5 percent of the vote, Cox drew enough support away from the incumbent -- who had reneged on a 2002 campaign promise not to raise taxes -- to cause her defeat.

Incumbent Mary Gallegos, a one-term Republican who voted for a huge tax increase last year, received 42 percent of the vote to be defeated by Democrat Chuck Riley, who drew 48 percent. With a difference of only 6 percentage points between the two, Cox's percentage clearly affected the outcome.

Cox, who ran as a true fiscal conservative, told newspaper reporters following the election that he believes he took votes from Gallegos, causing her downfall after one term in office. Gallegos promised when elected in 2002 that she would not raise taxes.

"This isn't the victory we would have loved," Cox said. "But [Gallegos] was in my crosshairs from Day One, and this is well within the range of success."

* And in Washington State, the race for governor remains undecided but Libertarian candidate Ruth Bennett apparently has taken enough votes from Democrat Christine O. Gregoire to allow Republican Dino Rossi to take the lead. Polls taken before the election hinted that Democrats were more likely to support Bennett than Republicans were.

Election officials said it could take up to a week to count the many thousands of absentee and provisional ballots that will determine the race. According to news reports, after nearly 1.9 million votes had been counted on Nov. 3, Rossi was leading by only 1,064 votes. Before the election, Bennett was polling at about 2 percent -- a deciding factor in the race.

In other races, Libertarian candidates attained sizable vote totals -- showing that there is a market for the Libertarian message -- but did not achieve the desired posts. For example:

* Frank Gonzalez, the Libertarian candidate for U.S. House in Florida's District 21, garnered 54,290 votes -- 27.1 percent of the vote -- in a two-way race, losing to incumbent Republican Lincoln Diaz-Balart despite active campaigning in recent months.

* In Wisconsin, Tom Kuester won 14.7 percent in his three-way race for the 50th Assembly District seat against a Democrat and a long-time Republican incumbent who was re-elected.

* R. Scott Bludorn drew 8 percent in a three-way race for the Illinois House of Representatives 53rd District. Incumbent Republican Sidney Mathias drew 59 percent of the vote to win, while Democrat Nicholas Chrisos garnered 33 percent.

* Jerry Cameron, a retired police chief from St. Augustine, Fla., took 5 percent of the vote in his three-way race for the District 20 seat in Florida's House of Representatives.

* Libertarian Rick Fowlkes drew 301,664 votes (25.1 percent) in his two-way race against incumbent Republican Kris Mayes for Arizona Corporation Commissioner.

Before the Nov. 2 elections, hundreds of other Libertarians were already in public office -- both elected and appointed -- across the nation. Many had already been elected earlier this year to various local-level offices, including some who were re-elected.

"Communities have seen Libertarian office holders deliver lower taxes and less restrictive laws as they serve on school boards, city councils and other local-level offices across the nation," Seehusen said.

"At this level, we have a track record that voters can refer to in evaluating Libertarian candidates. As we continue to provide good governance at the local level, our candidates will be able to achieve an ever-higher profile, making them more electable for higher offices." Libertarians who were elected to office before Election Day this year included:

* Tim Cowles, to the Madison (Ala.) City Council.

* Tom Rawles, to the Mesa (Ariz.) City Council.

* Joe Johnson, as Frederick (Colo.) Town Trustee.

* Rex Bell, re-elected to Hagerstown (Ind.) Planning Commission.

* Tamara Millay, elected as Greendale (Mo.) City Marshall.

* Karl H. Timmerman, to the Holden (Mo.) City Council.

*John Taylor, to the Highland (NJ) Boro School Board.

* Bill Woolsey, re-elected to James Island (SC) Town Council.

* Gene Cisewski, re-elected to Iron County (Wis.) Board of Supervisors.

* Will Fantle, elected to Eau Claire County (Wis.) Board of Supervisors.

* Mark Hepfinger, as Cottage Grove (Wis.) Municipal Court Judge.

* Craig Mohn, to the Woodville (Wis.) Village Board.

* Dave Ripp, re-elected to the Dane County (Wis.) Board of Supervisors.

* Kevin Scheunemann, elected to Kewaskum (Wis.) Village Board.

* Alexander W. Young, elected to Rhinelander (Wis.) City Council. Libertarians appointed to various positions this year have included: Ken Anton, to the Elk (Cal.) Community Services District; Scott Baker, to the Elkhart County (Ind.) Convention and Visitors Commission; Brian Golliher, to the Hagerstown (Ind.) Planning Commission; Thomas Knapp, to Missouri's Selective Service State Board; and Barry Ganoe, to the Summit County (Ohio) Planning Commission.

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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2004, 06:29:19 pm »
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It's interesting to see the Libertarian successes in MN and WI, but I'm surprised at the lack of success in IL. There was a Libertarian on my ballot for State Rep, but he was a non-factor with less than 3% of the vote. There was a lot of campaigning from the Republican incumbent with 61%, and from the Democrat with 36%, but non from the Libertarian. The adjacent district had an unopposed race.

IL has far more non-partisan elective offices than any other state in the nation. It has more local taxing bodies resulting in more positions. There is little display of partisanship on these boards in my area of the suburbs, and Democrats win even in Republican districts. I remain surprised that more Libertarians don't get on these boards, and then use them as a platform to run for higher office.
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