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« Reply #75 on: July 25, 2010, 01:26:16 pm »
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That's great.  Now what?
Well when han gets back on, we'll start to get to party business
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« Reply #76 on: July 25, 2010, 02:16:19 pm »
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Vote is over
Hantheguitarman is the Convention chairman


I only got 1 vote, and that was from myself! Darn it....
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« Reply #77 on: July 25, 2010, 08:19:39 pm »
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Vote is over
Hantheguitarman is the Convention chairman


I only got 1 vote, and that was from myself! Darn it....
Same here, though I can't say I actually expected to win.
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« Reply #78 on: July 25, 2010, 09:06:38 pm »
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First off, I can't say enough how honored I am to chair this convention. I not only feel humbled, but I feel responsible, and I will put my best work into running this convention.

So let's get this party started. I believe we congregated here to edit our bylaws?
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« Reply #79 on: July 25, 2010, 09:09:54 pm »
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First off, I can't say enough how honored I am to chair this convention. I not only feel humbled, but I feel responsible, and I will put my best work into running this convention.

So let's get this party started. I believe we congregated here to edit our bylaws?

Yes - someone should bring a proposal to the table, or better yet, several proposals, so we could discuss their merits.

I'll work on something tonight.
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« Reply #80 on: July 27, 2010, 05:29:31 pm »
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Okay, here's a proposal - it's the Chairman's discretion what he'll do with this.

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1. If any candidate receives a supermajority of preferences in any given slot, the Chairman has the discretion to contact the SoFE and have said candidate listed as cross-endorsed.

Also, for prohibiting candidates from being on the ballot line...

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1. If a Popularis does not receive a majority of preferences, the Chairman must inform the SoFE that the given Popularis will not appear on the ballot line.
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« Reply #81 on: July 27, 2010, 06:40:53 pm »
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Okay, here's a proposal - it's the Chairman's discretion what he'll do with this.

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1. If any candidate receives a supermajority of preferences in any given slot, the Chairman has the discretion to contact the SoFE and have said candidate listed as cross-endorsed.

Also, for prohibiting candidates from being on the ballot line...

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Not Our Candidate!
1. If a Popularis does not receive a majority of preferences, the Chairman must inform the SoFE that the given Popularis will not appear on the ballot line.

I like the intent of both acts. For Not Our Candidate! are you saying that their affiliations with the Populares party will not appear on the ballot (The (POP) thing after their name in the ballot), or are you saying we're taking them completely off the ballot? I don't think we have the power to do the latter and I don't we should do the latter anyway.

Does anybody else have any revisions or suggestions for either of the two laws? If not, I think we should hold a vote on them tomorrow.
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« Reply #82 on: July 27, 2010, 06:44:11 pm »
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Okay, here's a proposal - it's the Chairman's discretion what he'll do with this.

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1. If any candidate receives a supermajority of preferences in any given slot, the Chairman has the discretion to contact the SoFE and have said candidate listed as cross-endorsed.

Also, for prohibiting candidates from being on the ballot line...

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Not Our Candidate!
1. If a Popularis does not receive a majority of preferences, the Chairman must inform the SoFE that the given Popularis will not appear on the ballot line.

I like the intent of both acts. For Not Our Candidate! are you saying that their affiliations with the Populares party will not appear on the ballot (The (POP) thing after their name in the ballot), or are you saying we're taking them completely off the ballot? I don't think we have the power to do the latter and I don't we should do the latter anyway.

Does anybody else have any revisions or suggestions for either of the two laws? If not, I think we should hold a vote on them tomorrow.

Basically, they would appear as "Independent", or whatever party did decide to endorse them, if any.
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« Reply #83 on: July 27, 2010, 07:42:22 pm »
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Okay, here's a proposal - it's the Chairman's discretion what he'll do with this.

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1. If any candidate receives a supermajority of preferences in any given slot, the Chairman has the discretion to contact the SoFE and have said candidate listed as cross-endorsed.

Also, for prohibiting candidates from being on the ballot line...

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Not Our Candidate!
1. If a Popularis does not receive a majority of preferences, the Chairman must inform the SoFE that the given Popularis will not appear on the ballot line.

Seems to work, but will this be based on a separate vote on whether we choose to endorse non-POP candidates, or just our regular endorsement votes? Will we allow party members to nominate non-POP candidates and then vote on whether they will receive our endorsement? We should make that clear.

Also, I think all party officers should be able to contact the SoFE with regard to ballot access. There are deadlines and tense negotiations always can run late. In the past we've had chairmen who were inactive in Atlasia and the whip's office has certainly been intricately involved in the party's interpartisan negotations since the party's founding, even going back to the ARC era. Party officers include the chairman, vice chairman and whip. It could potentially cripple our diplomacy efforts otherwise.

Perhaps we might also allow the conventions themselves to elect for a time someone who would be the official representative of the convention to report on endorsements and ballot access to the SoFE.

Here are my tentatively proposed amendments:

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1. If any candidate receives a supermajority of preferences in any given slot, a party officer or a chosen representative of the convention has the discretion to contact the SoFE and have said candidate listed as cross-endorsed.


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1. If a Popularis does not receive a majority of preferences, a party officer or a chosen representative of the convention must inform the SoFE that the given Popularis will not appear on the ballot line.

Though we'd still need to address the first issue I mentioned.


Also, since we now control our ballot line, should we do like other parties do and automatically endorse our own party's candidates ahead of others before the convention votes?
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« Reply #84 on: July 27, 2010, 07:53:13 pm »
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Alright, here's some amendments that would address the other issues. What do you think?

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1. Any registered member of the Populares may nominate at a time designated by the convention chair candidates who are not members of the Populares for endorsement. If any candidate receives a majority of the votes cast, a party officer or a chosen representative of the convention has the discretion to contact the SoFE and have said candidate listed as cross-endorsed.


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1. If more than 2/3 of the Populares vote against endorsing a candidate of any party, including a registered Popularis, a party officer or a chosen representative of the convention may inform the SoFE that the given Popularis will not appear on the party's ballot line. Populares who will be allowed to appear on the ballot shall receive automatic endorsements ahead of all non-Populares when the convention votes on endorsements.

I think we should allow a little bit of wiggle room in case, as a big tent party, one wing of the party nominates a candidate and the other wing wants to kick him off the ballot. Raising the threshold to 2/3 to lose ballot access reduces the risk of having the party torn apart over something like that.
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« Reply #85 on: July 27, 2010, 07:57:08 pm »
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Are you "Populares" or "Popularis"?
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« Reply #86 on: July 27, 2010, 07:59:01 pm »
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Are you "Populares" or "Popularis"?

This is the Populares convention. What do you want?
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« Reply #87 on: July 27, 2010, 08:01:17 pm »
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Are you "Populares" or "Popularis"?

This is the Populares convention. What do you want?

I was asking politely which form is then official or  both are acceatable, rude little man.

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1. If more than 2/3 of the Populares vote against endorsing a candidate of any party, including a registered Popularis, a party officer or a chosen representative of the convention may inform the SoFE that the given Popularis will not appear on the party's ballot line. Populares who will be allowed to appear on the ballot shall receive automatic endorsements ahead of all non-Populares when the convention votes on endorsements.

Try to ask something politely...
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« Reply #88 on: July 27, 2010, 08:03:32 pm »
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Are you "Populares" or "Popularis"?

This is the Populares convention. What do you want?

I was asking politely which form is then official or  both are acceatable, rude little man.

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1. If more than 2/3 of the Populares vote against endorsing a candidate of any party, including a registered Popularis, a party officer or a chosen representative of the convention may inform the SoFE that the given Popularis will not appear on the party's ballot line. Populares who will be allowed to appear on the ballot shall receive automatic endorsements ahead of all non-Populares when the convention votes on endorsements.

Try to ask something politely...

How was I rude? I'm not quite sure what the issue is here. 'Popularis' is singular, 'Populares' is plural. Just like 'Democrat' is singular and 'Democrats' is plural.
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« Reply #89 on: July 27, 2010, 08:05:08 pm »
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Are you "Populares" or "Popularis"?

This is the Populares convention. What do you want?

I was asking politely which form is then official or  both are acceatable, rude little man.

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1. If more than 2/3 of the Populares vote against endorsing a candidate of any party, including a registered Popularis, a party officer or a chosen representative of the convention may inform the SoFE that the given Popularis will not appear on the party's ballot line. Populares who will be allowed to appear on the ballot shall receive automatic endorsements ahead of all non-Populares when the convention votes on endorsements.

Try to ask something politely...

How was I rude? I'm not quite sure what the issue is here. 'Popularis' is singular, 'Populares' is plural. Just like 'Democrat' is singular and 'Democrats' is plural.

1. My Latin is sucks
2. I was asking nicely and you started with "this is our club, what do you want"-style
3. I'm drunk

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« Reply #90 on: July 27, 2010, 08:06:18 pm »
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I'm drunk

Just put this before all your posts.
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« Reply #91 on: July 27, 2010, 08:10:38 pm »
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I'm drunk

Just put this before all your posts.

Ok, but still I wanted to ask that question, ftr.
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« Reply #92 on: July 27, 2010, 09:07:53 pm »
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Okay, here's a proposal - it's the Chairman's discretion what he'll do with this.

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Fusion Voting
1. If any candidate receives a supermajority of preferences in any given slot, the Chairman has the discretion to contact the SoFE and have said candidate listed as cross-endorsed.

Also, for prohibiting candidates from being on the ballot line...

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Not Our Candidate!
1. If a Popularis does not receive a majority of preferences, the Chairman must inform the SoFE that the given Popularis will not appear on the ballot line.

Seems to work, but will this be based on a separate vote on whether we choose to endorse non-POP candidates, or just our regular endorsement votes? Will we allow party members to nominate non-POP candidates and then vote on whether they will receive our endorsement? We should make that clear.

Also, I think all party officers should be able to contact the SoFE with regard to ballot access. There are deadlines and tense negotiations always can run late. In the past we've had chairmen who were inactive in Atlasia and the whip's office has certainly been intricately involved in the party's interpartisan negotations since the party's founding, even going back to the ARC era. Party officers include the chairman, vice chairman and whip. It could potentially cripple our diplomacy efforts otherwise.

Perhaps we might also allow the conventions themselves to elect for a time someone who would be the official representative of the convention to report on endorsements and ballot access to the SoFE.

Here are my tentatively proposed amendments:

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Fusion Voting
1. If any candidate receives a supermajority of preferences in any given slot, a party officer or a chosen representative of the convention has the discretion to contact the SoFE and have said candidate listed as cross-endorsed.


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Not Our Candidate!
1. If a Popularis does not receive a majority of preferences, a party officer or a chosen representative of the convention must inform the SoFE that the given Popularis will not appear on the ballot line.

Though we'd still need to address the first issue I mentioned.


Also, since we now control our ballot line, should we do like other parties do and automatically endorse our own party's candidates ahead of others before the convention votes?

I imagine we'd just use our existing endorsement process (as we had so far) but with the option for our leadership to place people on our ballot (given that they get a majority/supermajority.)

Also, I accept your modifications to my own amendments, unless someone else in the party has a gripe against it - upon latter reflection, I think anybody in the Leadership should have the authority to notify the SoFE.

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Also, since we now control our ballot line, should we do like other parties do and automatically endorse our own party's candidates ahead of others before the convention votes?

I'd support that, as long as there was a mechanism for our members to "anti-endorse" like it says in "Not Our Candidate!"

I'm drunk

Just put this before all your posts.

I've posted while imbibed quite often and it's only gotten me in trouble once or twice.
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« Reply #93 on: July 28, 2010, 09:04:29 pm »
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« Reply #94 on: July 29, 2010, 12:18:46 am »
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Ooh, sorry. I haven't been on a computer for the last couple of hours.

Anyway, voting will begin at 10:30 AM, and will continue for the next 72 hours. Please make it clear which bylaws you are voting for. Oh, BTW, these acts are the acts with Libertas' amendments. Please either vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

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« Reply #95 on: July 29, 2010, 11:47:09 am »
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« Reply #96 on: July 29, 2010, 11:47:31 am »
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« Reply #97 on: July 29, 2010, 01:14:51 pm »
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« Reply #98 on: July 29, 2010, 02:45:35 pm »
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« Reply #99 on: July 29, 2010, 03:54:24 pm »
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