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« on: July 17, 2010, 03:32:21 pm »
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I saw my first Tea Party protest today at a fair by the beach. There were 3 men screaming "smaller government, less spending." He then asked if I want to know more about the tea party and I responded "I already know too much." I then proceeded to ask where he was during Bush's spending and big government expansion. He then said that I was "drinking from the Obama kool-aid and that support the demise of America." Word...
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2010, 04:15:33 pm »
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Most Tea-partyers regret voting for Bush. Of course it's wise to vote for someone who promises lower spending. I certainly wouldn't vote for him given his track record on spending. BUT OBAMA'S worse. He's spent more than any other president combined trying to bring our nation out of a recession THAT WAS CAUSED BY TOO MUCH SPENDING.
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2010, 04:30:47 pm »
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I saw my first Tea Party protest today at a fair by the beach. There were 3 men screaming "smaller government, less spending." He then asked if I want to know more about the tea party and I responded "I already know too much." I then proceeded to ask where he was during Bush's spending and big government expansion. He then said that I was "drinking from the Obama kool-aid and that support the demise of America." Word...

Typical neo-conservative hypocrisy.

They seem to think they can just speak for other countries' healthcare system. I bet you if you bring up the fact that putting "Germany healthcare wait times" into a search engine will lead to reports about American wait times being horrendous, they would not listen.
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2010, 04:43:51 pm »

Most Tea-partyers regret voting for Bush. Of course it's wise to vote for someone who promises lower spending. I certainly wouldn't vote for him given his track record on spending. BUT OBAMA'S worse. He's spent more than any other president combined trying to bring our nation out of a recession THAT WAS CAUSED BY TOO MUCH SPENDING.

You mean too much private sector spending. Bush's deficit spending didn't cause the recession. The housing bubble did.



During the bubble, Aggregate Demand (AD) shifted from AD1 to AD2. But the inflationary effects were distorted by the Asian savings glut and financial innovation into the housing and commodities sector and the current account deficit. During the bust, Aggregate Demand fell from AD2 to AD3, resulting in mass unemployment and underutilization. Obama's spending has just been aimed at cushioning the fall to AD3. Ideally, the government would spend enough to return us to full employment at AD1. We are heading there, but it will be slower than it needs to be.
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2010, 05:32:42 pm »
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Most Tea-partyers regret voting for Bush.

No, they don't.
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2010, 10:20:32 pm »
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No, they don't.

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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2010, 10:30:08 pm »
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I saw my first Tea Party protest today at a fair by the beach. There were 3 men screaming "smaller government, less spending." He then asked if I want to know more about the tea party and I responded "I already know too much." I then proceeded to ask where he was during Bush's spending and big government expansion. He then said that I was "drinking from the Obama kool-aid and that support the demise of America." Word...

In case you haven't realized, the tea partiers are conservatives. They wouldn't throw their own party under the bus. Instead they'd all vote on election day. By doing what they're doing, they are exposing Obama's spending which is 3 TIMES GREATER THAN BUSH'S. Many democrats are out to expose the tea party members to be something their not. I'm actually more concerned with the new black panther party and seeing people saying they hate all white people, every last one of them. What you and your counterparts are doing is saying that no matter what Obama does, Bush was worse even though you are knowingly LYING to people IN ORDER TO keep democrats in office in exchange for FREE HANDOUTS and BIG GOVERNMENT. However, when you talk to the tea partiers, they are mostly middle age, Christian, socially conservative, smaller government oriented, low taxes, free trade, LEAVE ME ALONE Americans. As America was founded on INDEPENDENCE FROM A GOVERNMENT, it is only natural and proper for it's people to feel the same way as having that independence. I'm not sure how long you've lived in our country, but welcome. As far as spending, I think it's more the fact of government intrusion. Any idiot knows that.

What would you have thought of the pot smoking hippies in the late 60's? HAHAHAHA!
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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2010, 10:33:34 pm »
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Most Tea-partyers regret voting for Bush. Of course it's wise to vote for someone who promises lower spending. I certainly wouldn't vote for him given his track record on spending. BUT OBAMA'S worse. He's spent more than any other president combined trying to bring our nation out of a recession THAT WAS CAUSED BY TOO MUCH SPENDING.

You mean too much private sector spending. Bush's deficit spending didn't cause the recession. The housing bubble did.



During the bubble, Aggregate Demand (AD) shifted from AD1 to AD2. But the inflationary effects were distorted by the Asian savings glut and financial innovation into the housing and commodities sector and the current account deficit. During the bust, Aggregate Demand fell from AD2 to AD3, resulting in mass unemployment and underutilization. Obama's spending has just been aimed at cushioning the fall to AD3. Ideally, the government would spend enough to return us to full employment at AD1. We are heading there, but it will be slower than it needs to be.

We had been in a recession for 6 months before the housing bubble which actually goes back to 1996. The government spending too much money has nothing to do with a recession though and I agree with you there. Only those who are uninformed would think that anyways. All Bush's spending did was create more debt kind of like the government has been since 1933.
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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2010, 10:17:54 am »
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I saw my first Tea Party protest today at a fair by the beach. There were 3 men screaming "smaller government, less spending." He then asked if I want to know more about the tea party and I responded "I already know too much." I then proceeded to ask where he was during Bush's spending and big government expansion. He then said that I was "drinking from the Obama kool-aid and that support the demise of America." Word...

In case you haven't realized, the tea partiers are conservatives. They wouldn't throw their own party under the bus. Instead they'd all vote on election day. By doing what they're doing, they are exposing Obama's spending which is 3 TIMES GREATER THAN BUSH'S. Many democrats are out to expose the tea party members to be something their not. I'm actually more concerned with the new black panther party and seeing people saying they hate all white people, every last one of them. What you and your counterparts are doing is saying that no matter what Obama does, Bush was worse even though you are knowingly LYING to people IN ORDER TO keep democrats in office in exchange for FREE HANDOUTS and BIG GOVERNMENT. However, when you talk to the tea partiers, they are mostly middle age, Christian, socially conservative, smaller government oriented, low taxes, free trade, LEAVE ME ALONE Americans. As America was founded on INDEPENDENCE FROM A GOVERNMENT, it is only natural and proper for it's people to feel the same way as having that independence. I'm not sure how long you've lived in our country, but welcome. As far as spending, I think it's more the fact of government intrusion. Any idiot knows that.

What would you have thought of the pot smoking hippies in the late 60's? HAHAHAHA!

To say that these teabaggers are "leave me alone" types is far from the truth and I suggest that you go out more and observe their behavior. I've lived in this country my whole life, I was born here, no need to welcome me. Maybe I should welcome you to reality, however. What bothers me at this point is not just that Bush (Cheney/Rove, Bush really had no coherent thoughts) was worse than Obama. What bothers me is that the teabaggers didn't protest Bush's spending. Yes, Obama may wind up spending more than Bush has. But I thought Republicans were all about small government (unless you violate their ideal social and moral codes) and lower spending, etc. It's obvious that these tea-party people are not into debating facts. They get all of their news from one media station which claims to be fair and balanced but is simply not the case. Tea Baggers reject facts when it's inconvenient for them. As do most Republicans.
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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2010, 09:12:13 pm »
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I saw my first Tea Party protest today at a fair by the beach. There were 3 men screaming "smaller government, less spending." He then asked if I want to know more about the tea party and I responded "I already know too much." I then proceeded to ask where he was during Bush's spending and big government expansion. He then said that I was "drinking from the Obama kool-aid and that support the demise of America." Word...

In case you haven't realized, the tea partiers are conservatives. They wouldn't throw their own party under the bus. Instead they'd all vote on election day. By doing what they're doing, they are exposing Obama's spending which is 3 TIMES GREATER THAN BUSH'S. Many democrats are out to expose the tea party members to be something their not. I'm actually more concerned with the new black panther party and seeing people saying they hate all white people, every last one of them. What you and your counterparts are doing is saying that no matter what Obama does, Bush was worse even though you are knowingly LYING to people IN ORDER TO keep democrats in office in exchange for FREE HANDOUTS and BIG GOVERNMENT. However, when you talk to the tea partiers, they are mostly middle age, Christian, socially conservative, smaller government oriented, low taxes, free trade, LEAVE ME ALONE Americans. As America was founded on INDEPENDENCE FROM A GOVERNMENT, it is only natural and proper for it's people to feel the same way as having that independence. I'm not sure how long you've lived in our country, but welcome. As far as spending, I think it's more the fact of government intrusion. Any idiot knows that.

What would you have thought of the pot smoking hippies in the late 60's? HAHAHAHA!

To say that these teabaggers are "leave me alone" types is far from the truth and I suggest that you go out more and observe their behavior. I've lived in this country my whole life, I was born here, no need to welcome me. Maybe I should welcome you to reality, however. What bothers me at this point is not just that Bush (Cheney/Rove, Bush really had no coherent thoughts) was worse than Obama. What bothers me is that the teabaggers didn't protest Bush's spending. Yes, Obama may wind up spending more than Bush has. But I thought Republicans were all about small government (unless you violate their ideal social and moral codes) and lower spending, etc. It's obvious that these tea-party people are not into debating facts. They get all of their news from one media station which claims to be fair and balanced but is simply not the case. Tea Baggers reject facts when it's inconvenient for them. As do most Republicans.

The word "tea baggers" is offensive and is a sexual connotation. Watch what you say! There you go again with the Bush bashing. All you and your party do is say that Bush was worse. Your arguments are as mature as "teacher I didn't get the wrong answer, I copied off of him and he got the wrong answer so it's not really my fault." Debating facts is something the left says to slow down such movements. There is nothing to debate. America was founded on being independent from the government. Do you have any idea how questionable facts are anyways? The fact I'm concerned about is that we're now in our 3rd generation of making people dependent on the elitist democrats for retirement, housing, education, food, transportation, the postal service, roads, and now medical treatment. That's the fact. All your petty little minor details are being said to trip up the conservative movement.
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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2010, 09:16:32 pm »
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I saw my first Tea Party protest today at a fair by the beach. There were 3 men screaming "smaller government, less spending." He then asked if I want to know more about the tea party and I responded "I already know too much." I then proceeded to ask where he was during Bush's spending and big government expansion. He then said that I was "drinking from the Obama kool-aid and that support the demise of America." Word...

In case you haven't realized, the tea partiers are conservatives. They wouldn't throw their own party under the bus. Instead they'd all vote on election day. By doing what they're doing, they are exposing Obama's spending which is 3 TIMES GREATER THAN BUSH'S. Many democrats are out to expose the tea party members to be something their not. I'm actually more concerned with the new black panther party and seeing people saying they hate all white people, every last one of them. What you and your counterparts are doing is saying that no matter what Obama does, Bush was worse even though you are knowingly LYING to people IN ORDER TO keep democrats in office in exchange for FREE HANDOUTS and BIG GOVERNMENT. However, when you talk to the tea partiers, they are mostly middle age, Christian, socially conservative, smaller government oriented, low taxes, free trade, LEAVE ME ALONE Americans. As America was founded on INDEPENDENCE FROM A GOVERNMENT, it is only natural and proper for it's people to feel the same way as having that independence. I'm not sure how long you've lived in our country, but welcome. As far as spending, I think it's more the fact of government intrusion. Any idiot knows that.

What would you have thought of the pot smoking hippies in the late 60's? HAHAHAHA!

To say that these teabaggers are "leave me alone" types is far from the truth and I suggest that you go out more and observe their behavior. I've lived in this country my whole life, I was born here, no need to welcome me. Maybe I should welcome you to reality, however. What bothers me at this point is not just that Bush (Cheney/Rove, Bush really had no coherent thoughts) was worse than Obama. What bothers me is that the teabaggers didn't protest Bush's spending. Yes, Obama may wind up spending more than Bush has. But I thought Republicans were all about small government (unless you violate their ideal social and moral codes) and lower spending, etc. It's obvious that these tea-party people are not into debating facts. They get all of their news from one media station which claims to be fair and balanced but is simply not the case. Tea Baggers reject facts when it's inconvenient for them. As do most Republicans.

But does it matter that they're hypocrites?  Many Democrats seem to say, "Republicans are hypocrites on spending, therefore it is okay that we spend more than they did" it makes no sense.
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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2010, 11:20:28 pm »
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Most Tea-partyers regret voting for Bush.

No, they don't.

And you're the expert, right.

Do they wish they had voted for Kerry, Gore, or both?
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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2010, 11:26:31 pm »
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I saw my first Tea Party protest today at a fair by the beach. There were 3 men screaming "smaller government, less spending." He then asked if I want to know more about the tea party and I responded "I already know too much." I then proceeded to ask where he was during Bush's spending and big government expansion. He then said that I was "drinking from the Obama kool-aid and that support the demise of America." Word...

In case you haven't realized, the tea partiers are conservatives. They wouldn't throw their own party under the bus. Instead they'd all vote on election day. By doing what they're doing, they are exposing Obama's spending which is 3 TIMES GREATER THAN BUSH'S. Many democrats are out to expose the tea party members to be something their not. I'm actually more concerned with the new black panther party and seeing people saying they hate all white people, every last one of them. What you and your counterparts are doing is saying that no matter what Obama does, Bush was worse even though you are knowingly LYING to people IN ORDER TO keep democrats in office in exchange for FREE HANDOUTS and BIG GOVERNMENT. However, when you talk to the tea partiers, they are mostly middle age, Christian, socially conservative, smaller government oriented, low taxes, free trade, LEAVE ME ALONE Americans. As America was founded on INDEPENDENCE FROM A GOVERNMENT, it is only natural and proper for it's people to feel the same way as having that independence. I'm not sure how long you've lived in our country, but welcome. As far as spending, I think it's more the fact of government intrusion. Any idiot knows that.

What would you have thought of the pot smoking hippies in the late 60's? HAHAHAHA!

To say that these teabaggers are "leave me alone" types is far from the truth and I suggest that you go out more and observe their behavior. I've lived in this country my whole life, I was born here, no need to welcome me. Maybe I should welcome you to reality, however. What bothers me at this point is not just that Bush (Cheney/Rove, Bush really had no coherent thoughts) was worse than Obama. What bothers me is that the teabaggers didn't protest Bush's spending. Yes, Obama may wind up spending more than Bush has. But I thought Republicans were all about small government (unless you violate their ideal social and moral codes) and lower spending, etc. It's obvious that these tea-party people are not into debating facts. They get all of their news from one media station which claims to be fair and balanced but is simply not the case. Tea Baggers reject facts when it's inconvenient for them. As do most Republicans.

The word "tea baggers" is offensive and is a sexual connotation. Watch what you say! There you go again with the Bush bashing. All you and your party do is say that Bush was worse. Your arguments are as mature as "teacher I didn't get the wrong answer, I copied off of him and he got the wrong answer so it's not really my fault." Debating facts is something the left says to slow down such movements. There is nothing to debate. America was founded on being independent from the government. Do you have any idea how questionable facts are anyways? The fact I'm concerned about is that we're now in our 3rd generation of making people dependent on the elitist democrats for retirement, housing, education, food, transportation, the postal service, roads, and now medical treatment. That's the fact. All your petty little minor details are being said to trip up the conservative movement.

He was just pointing out that the Teabaggers are hypocrites. Where were they when Bush spent our way from a surplus back to a deficit? They didn't care because they had one of their own as President. Now that they've got a Democrat in the White House, it's OK to critcize the govt. I bet that those Teabaggers would also ignore the large spending if McCain was President instead of Obama.
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2010, 02:12:56 am »
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Isn't it strange how conservatives say that the Great Depression was defeated because of WW2 and not FDR's "Liberal Policies", when WW2 was actually one of the largest debt funded work programs ever. 

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The recession was caused by too little spending, not too much.  There was never 'too much' spending.
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The word "tea baggers" is offensive and is a sexual connotation. Watch what you say!

This is very ironic, considering how much tea partiers gripe about liberal political correctness.......
I get it now, it's not "political correctness" whenever conservatives bitch about it.
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The word "tea baggers" is offensive and is a sexual connotation. Watch what you say!

This is very ironic, considering how much tea partiers gripe about liberal political correctness.......
I get it now, it's not "political correctness" whenever conservatives bitch about it.

And how many tea partiers refer to themselves as "tea-baggers".  LOL
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And to think, the Great Depression required SPENDING on massive levels that finaly pulled individual nations out of the slumps. Nazi Germany spent their way out of the depression the same as the United States did.

It's not how much you spend, it's what you spend it on.
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At least this country was able to build itself out of the Depression with the best manufacturing capacity in the world.  We can't do that anymore.
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The current tea party is a total joke. Nothing more than a mouth piece for the billionair Koch bothers and other greedy corporate interest groups.
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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2011, 08:54:29 pm »
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The current tea party is a total joke. Nothing more than a mouth piece for the billionair Koch bothers and other greedy corporate interest groups.

Nah.. it's not the mouthpiece... Fox News, talk radio, and conservative internet news/blogs are the mouthpieces.  The teabaggers are merely the ear pieces and the regurgitators.
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2011, 11:16:21 pm »
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At least this country was able to build itself out of the Depression with the best manufacturing capacity in the world.  We can't do that anymore.
We produce more now than we ever have.  Our "capacity" is fine thankyouverymuch.  We just do it with a lot less people now.  Progress is a bitch.
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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2011, 12:15:32 pm »
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At least this country was able to build itself out of the Depression with the best manufacturing capacity in the world.  We can't do that anymore.
We produce more now than we ever have.  Our "capacity" is fine thankyouverymuch.  We just do it with a lot less people now.  Progress is a bitch.

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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2011, 01:15:20 pm »
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I don't consider myself a "member" of the Tea Party per se, but I do agree with the idea of Smaller Government and Lower Taxes.
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I don't consider myself a "member" of the Tea Party per se, but I do agree with the idea of Smaller Government and Lower Taxes.

That is not what the Tea Party is about. The Tea Party is nothing more than a bunch of fascist clowns who think dressing in 18th century garb and holding up poorly-spelled signs about how Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya is an intelligent form of political discourse.
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