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« on: July 18, 2010, 02:42:59 AM »

Hmm, it doesn't seem like we have much of an anti-war Republican here after all.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/18/rand-paul-obama-afghanistan_n_650244.html
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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2010, 02:51:51 AM »

Rand is a Moderate Hero who wants to get elected. Not much more explanation to this.
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2010, 10:10:48 AM »

IIRC Rand Paul has generally been supportive of the Afghan war effort in the past, but not the Iraq war.  Being anti-war in Iraq still makes him unusual for a GOP candidate, especially when he's running in the upper South.
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2010, 09:35:52 AM »

I think Obama gave his hand away to the GOP, this was the one thing that he could had made a good mark in his presidency, he needed to wind down both wars and he didn't, now if the presidency ends in 2012, he didn't really change much.
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2010, 10:11:07 AM »

I think Obama gave his hand away to the GOP, this was the one thing that he could had made a good mark in his presidency, he needed to wind down both wars and he didn't, now if the presidency ends in 2012, he didn't really change much.

It's not like he, ya know, campaigned on fighting harder in Afghanistan Roll Eyes
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2010, 10:12:37 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2010, 02:40:20 PM »

Rand Paul's reasonable about Afghanistan?  I'm stunned.
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2010, 02:47:38 PM »

Rand Paul's reasonable about Afghanistan?  I'm stunned.

Right, pro-war = "reasonable". Anti-war = "extremist".
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2010, 03:43:00 PM »

Rand is a Moderate Hero who wants to get elected. Not much more explanation to this.

Do you still like him?
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2010, 03:44:10 PM »


Irrelevant.
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2010, 03:54:09 PM »

Rand is a Moderate Hero who wants to get elected. Not much more explanation to this.

Moderate Hero? Moderate Hero? Rand Paul? REALLY?

He's looking more and more to be just another neocon to me. There is nothing 'moderate' about neocons.
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2010, 04:05:45 PM »

Rand is a Moderate Hero who wants to get elected. Not much more explanation to this.

Moderate Hero? Moderate Hero? Rand Paul? REALLY?

He's looking more and more to be just another neocon to me. There is nothing 'moderate' about neocons.

No, no, no, the establishment centre is loaded with neocons. "Moderate" Republicans and "Moderate" Democrats agree, being pro-war and pro-authoritarianism is the moderate position.

Rand Paul is definitely a moderate.
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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2010, 04:08:27 PM »

Rand is a Moderate Hero who wants to get elected. Not much more explanation to this.

Do you still like him?

If I lived in Kentucky, I would not vote for Rand unless he abandoned his Moderate Heroism, though I certainly would not support extreme neocon authoritarian Jack Conway. It's moderate authoritarian vs. extreme authoritarian.
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2010, 04:15:04 PM »

Rand is a Moderate Hero who wants to get elected. Not much more explanation to this.

Moderate Hero? Moderate Hero? Rand Paul? REALLY?

He's looking more and more to be just another neocon to me. There is nothing 'moderate' about neocons.
Actually he may have a point.
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2010, 04:15:42 PM »

Rand is a Moderate Hero who wants to get elected. Not much more explanation to this.

Moderate Hero? Moderate Hero? Rand Paul? REALLY?

He's looking more and more to be just another neocon to me. There is nothing 'moderate' about neocons.

No, no, no, the establishment centre is loaded with neocons. "Moderate" Republicans and "Moderate" Democrats agree, being pro-war and pro-authoritarianism is the moderate position.

Rand Paul is definitely a moderate.

If so, that's a stupid technicality that they invented. If they were moderate by a literal definition, they would be nowhere near this warmongering.

To me, Rand Paul is the furthest thing from a moderate, putting it in literal terms.
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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2010, 04:18:28 PM »

Rand is a Moderate Hero who wants to get elected. Not much more explanation to this.

Moderate Hero? Moderate Hero? Rand Paul? REALLY?

He's looking more and more to be just another neocon to me. There is nothing 'moderate' about neocons.

No, no, no, the establishment centre is loaded with neocons. "Moderate" Republicans and "Moderate" Democrats agree, being pro-war and pro-authoritarianism is the moderate position.

Rand Paul is definitely a moderate.

If so, that's a stupid technicality that they invented. If they were moderate by a literal definition, they would be nowhere near this warmongering.

To me, Rand Paul is the furthest thing from a moderate, putting it in literal terms.

Except Rand Paul 'literally' is a moderate. Nearly all of his positions on the issues are wishy-washy Moderate Hero positions.
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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2010, 04:34:13 PM »

Rand is a Moderate Hero who wants to get elected. Not much more explanation to this.

Moderate Hero? Moderate Hero? Rand Paul? REALLY?

He's looking more and more to be just another neocon to me. There is nothing 'moderate' about neocons.

No, no, no, the establishment centre is loaded with neocons. "Moderate" Republicans and "Moderate" Democrats agree, being pro-war and pro-authoritarianism is the moderate position.

Rand Paul is definitely a moderate.

If so, that's a stupid technicality that they invented. If they were moderate by a literal definition, they would be nowhere near this warmongering.

To me, Rand Paul is the furthest thing from a moderate, putting it in literal terms.

Except Rand Paul 'literally' is a moderate. Nearly all of his positions on the issues are wishy-washy Moderate Hero positions.

Then why the hell did you ever support him? Was it really just because of the Paul name? Huh
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2010, 04:35:47 PM »

Rand is a Moderate Hero who wants to get elected. Not much more explanation to this.

Moderate Hero? Moderate Hero? Rand Paul? REALLY?

He's looking more and more to be just another neocon to me. There is nothing 'moderate' about neocons.

No, no, no, the establishment centre is loaded with neocons. "Moderate" Republicans and "Moderate" Democrats agree, being pro-war and pro-authoritarianism is the moderate position.

Rand Paul is definitely a moderate.

If so, that's a stupid technicality that they invented. If they were moderate by a literal definition, they would be nowhere near this warmongering.

To me, Rand Paul is the furthest thing from a moderate, putting it in literal terms.

Except Rand Paul 'literally' is a moderate. Nearly all of his positions on the issues are wishy-washy Moderate Hero positions.

Then why the hell did you ever support him? Was it really just because of the Paul name? Huh

Um, Rand became a Moderate Hero during this election campaign. Before that he was not a public figure.
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2010, 04:42:07 PM »

Rand is a Moderate Hero who wants to get elected. Not much more explanation to this.

Moderate Hero? Moderate Hero? Rand Paul? REALLY?

He's looking more and more to be just another neocon to me. There is nothing 'moderate' about neocons.

No, no, no, the establishment centre is loaded with neocons. "Moderate" Republicans and "Moderate" Democrats agree, being pro-war and pro-authoritarianism is the moderate position.

Rand Paul is definitely a moderate.

If so, that's a stupid technicality that they invented. If they were moderate by a literal definition, they would be nowhere near this warmongering.

To me, Rand Paul is the furthest thing from a moderate, putting it in literal terms.

Except Rand Paul 'literally' is a moderate. Nearly all of his positions on the issues are wishy-washy Moderate Hero positions.

Then why the hell did you ever support him? Was it really just because of the Paul name? Huh

Um, Rand became a Moderate Hero during this election campaign. Before that he was not a public figure.

These are his beliefs, and he's never denied it. He's always been against shutting down Guantanamo, and he's always been for a 'strong national defense.' He's a neocon, through and through, completely contradictory to his father. I ask again: why the hell did you, and every other 'libertarian' on this site, support him?
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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2010, 04:46:39 PM »

Rand is a Moderate Hero who wants to get elected. Not much more explanation to this.

Moderate Hero? Moderate Hero? Rand Paul? REALLY?

He's looking more and more to be just another neocon to me. There is nothing 'moderate' about neocons.

No, no, no, the establishment centre is loaded with neocons. "Moderate" Republicans and "Moderate" Democrats agree, being pro-war and pro-authoritarianism is the moderate position.

Rand Paul is definitely a moderate.

If so, that's a stupid technicality that they invented. If they were moderate by a literal definition, they would be nowhere near this warmongering.

To me, Rand Paul is the furthest thing from a moderate, putting it in literal terms.

Except Rand Paul 'literally' is a moderate. Nearly all of his positions on the issues are wishy-washy Moderate Hero positions.

Then why the hell did you ever support him? Was it really just because of the Paul name? Huh

Um, Rand became a Moderate Hero during this election campaign. Before that he was not a public figure.

These are his beliefs, and he's never denied it. He's always been against shutting down Guantanamo, and he's always been for a 'strong national defense.' He's a neocon, through and through, completely contradictory to his father. I ask again: why the hell did you, and every other 'libertarian' on this site, support him?

Um, no, he became a Moderate Hero as the primary campaign went along. He flip-flopped on Gitmo and a whole host of other issues he was once 'radical' on, as could have been found on Trey Grayson's now-defunct "tookookyforkentucky" website.
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« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2010, 05:37:53 PM »

Rand is a Moderate Hero who wants to get elected. Not much more explanation to this.

Moderate Hero? Moderate Hero? Rand Paul? REALLY?

He's looking more and more to be just another neocon to me. There is nothing 'moderate' about neocons.

No, no, no, the establishment centre is loaded with neocons. "Moderate" Republicans and "Moderate" Democrats agree, being pro-war and pro-authoritarianism is the moderate position.

Rand Paul is definitely a moderate.

If so, that's a stupid technicality that they invented. If they were moderate by a literal definition, they would be nowhere near this warmongering.

To me, Rand Paul is the furthest thing from a moderate, putting it in literal terms.

Except Rand Paul 'literally' is a moderate. Nearly all of his positions on the issues are wishy-washy Moderate Hero positions.

Then why the hell did you ever support him? Was it really just because of the Paul name? Huh

Um, Rand became a Moderate Hero during this election campaign. Before that he was not a public figure.

These are his beliefs, and he's never denied it. He's always been against shutting down Guantanamo, and he's always been for a 'strong national defense.' He's a neocon, through and through, completely contradictory to his father. I ask again: why the hell did you, and every other 'libertarian' on this site, support him?

What the hell were they supposed to do? Support Conway?
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« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2010, 05:43:47 PM »

Rand is a Moderate Hero who wants to get elected. Not much more explanation to this.

Moderate Hero? Moderate Hero? Rand Paul? REALLY?

He's looking more and more to be just another neocon to me. There is nothing 'moderate' about neocons.

No, no, no, the establishment centre is loaded with neocons. "Moderate" Republicans and "Moderate" Democrats agree, being pro-war and pro-authoritarianism is the moderate position.

Rand Paul is definitely a moderate.

If so, that's a stupid technicality that they invented. If they were moderate by a literal definition, they would be nowhere near this warmongering.

To me, Rand Paul is the furthest thing from a moderate, putting it in literal terms.

Except Rand Paul 'literally' is a moderate. Nearly all of his positions on the issues are wishy-washy Moderate Hero positions.

Then why the hell did you ever support him? Was it really just because of the Paul name? Huh

Um, Rand became a Moderate Hero during this election campaign. Before that he was not a public figure.

These are his beliefs, and he's never denied it. He's always been against shutting down Guantanamo, and he's always been for a 'strong national defense.' He's a neocon, through and through, completely contradictory to his father. I ask again: why the hell did you, and every other 'libertarian' on this site, support him?

What the hell were they supposed to do? Support Conway?

Support no one.
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« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2010, 05:44:27 PM »

Rand is a Moderate Hero who wants to get elected. Not much more explanation to this.

Moderate Hero? Moderate Hero? Rand Paul? REALLY?

He's looking more and more to be just another neocon to me. There is nothing 'moderate' about neocons.

No, no, no, the establishment centre is loaded with neocons. "Moderate" Republicans and "Moderate" Democrats agree, being pro-war and pro-authoritarianism is the moderate position.

Rand Paul is definitely a moderate.

If so, that's a stupid technicality that they invented. If they were moderate by a literal definition, they would be nowhere near this warmongering.

To me, Rand Paul is the furthest thing from a moderate, putting it in literal terms.

Except Rand Paul 'literally' is a moderate. Nearly all of his positions on the issues are wishy-washy Moderate Hero positions.

Then why the hell did you ever support him? Was it really just because of the Paul name? Huh

Um, Rand became a Moderate Hero during this election campaign. Before that he was not a public figure.

These are his beliefs, and he's never denied it. He's always been against shutting down Guantanamo, and he's always been for a 'strong national defense.' He's a neocon, through and through, completely contradictory to his father. I ask again: why the hell did you, and every other 'libertarian' on this site, support him?

What the hell were they supposed to do? Support Conway?

They could just abstain. They do it plenty of times when both candidates suck a big testicle soufflé.

(P.S. The 'libertarians' in quotations referred only to fake libertarians like Libertas.)
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« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2010, 05:45:26 PM »

I can't bitch and Rand Paul for something I've done.......support Obama on Afghanistan.
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« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2010, 05:47:17 PM »

Rand is a Moderate Hero who wants to get elected. Not much more explanation to this.

Moderate Hero? Moderate Hero? Rand Paul? REALLY?

He's looking more and more to be just another neocon to me. There is nothing 'moderate' about neocons.

No, no, no, the establishment centre is loaded with neocons. "Moderate" Republicans and "Moderate" Democrats agree, being pro-war and pro-authoritarianism is the moderate position.

Rand Paul is definitely a moderate.

If so, that's a stupid technicality that they invented. If they were moderate by a literal definition, they would be nowhere near this warmongering.

To me, Rand Paul is the furthest thing from a moderate, putting it in literal terms.

Except Rand Paul 'literally' is a moderate. Nearly all of his positions on the issues are wishy-washy Moderate Hero positions.

Then why the hell did you ever support him? Was it really just because of the Paul name? Huh

Um, Rand became a Moderate Hero during this election campaign. Before that he was not a public figure.

These are his beliefs, and he's never denied it. He's always been against shutting down Guantanamo, and he's always been for a 'strong national defense.' He's a neocon, through and through, completely contradictory to his father. I ask again: why the hell did you, and every other 'libertarian' on this site, support him?

What the hell were they supposed to do? Support Conway?

They could just abstain. They do it plenty of times when both candidates suck a big testicle soufflé.

(P.S. The 'libertarians' in quotations referred only to fake libertarians like Libertas.)

Arr right.
For the record I had pretty minimal support for Rand Paul.  At first I was hoping he just supported keeping GITMO open to win the primary, but after he started drifting a little further authoritarian I was like "gee no thanks".
You got to understand that many libertarians, when someone touting the label is running for office, become optimistic enough to give them a chance for a few rounds.  After those few rounds they usually go "nah, not worth it."
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