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« on: November 03, 2004, 10:40:08 am »
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not trying to rub it in, but what happened to kerry in va?  we all heard about the 'trend' and NOVA going democratic.  kerry pissed away a bunch of money in the state.  in the end it turned out to be a no-contest.

what went wrong?
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2004, 10:46:07 am »
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they took a bit of a shot there... no different than Bush in Hawaii or New Jersey, which weren't any closer than Virginia. 
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2004, 10:48:44 am »
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bush improved dramitaclly in new jersey.  he only lost by 6 compared to 16 in 2000.
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2004, 10:51:37 am »
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yes, but he still lost by a decent margin.  Let us not forget Bush gained 4% nationally from 2000.  If the election had been a tie, theoretically Kerry may have been within 4 or 5% in Virginia, and Kerry may have won NJ by 9 or 10%.  The real surprise was Bush's margin in the popular vote.  So much for undecideds breaking to the challenger.
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2004, 11:05:08 am »
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I actually wrote a long reply to this. I read it and realised it was the "string up the strategists" rant again.


Many apologies
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2014, 11:50:17 am »
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LOL. This thread is funny.
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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2015, 03:11:39 am »
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not trying to rub it in, but what happened to kerry in va?  we all heard about the 'trend' and NOVA going democratic.  kerry pissed away a bunch of money in the state.  in the end it turned out to be a no-contest.

what went wrong?

How much did he spend there? I don't remember much campaigning going on. I've always thought that more time spent there by Kerry would've caused some of Bush's OH money to be spent there.
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2015, 08:58:19 pm »
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He gave up on VA way too soon. Bush constantly put pressure on Kerry in the bluish states that could have fallen his way had the election turned into a mini-landslide (i.e. PA, MI, MN, etc).  Kerry didn't put nearly enough pressure on the Bush states from '00, VA being one of them and to this day, I believe Mark Warner when he says VA was winnable in '04 for the Democrats.  Yes, it would have been an outside chance, but there was a chance and the state was turning.
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2015, 10:50:55 pm »
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Virginia wasn't winnable for the Dems in a year where the GOP won by 2.5%. Even in 2008 it was a point more R than the national vote. Kerry improved from Gore in the places Obama surged like Loudoun, Prince William, Henrico.
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