We Don’t Want Our Gay Marriage Victory!

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Gay-marriage win; progressive agenda loss?

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Oh no, ObamaCare might be in danger if courts start enforcing the Constitution. Was it worth it to get same-sex marriage?

[Free Palestine]

Contrary to popular belief, the Tenth Amendment is still part of the Constitution.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Contrary to popular belief, the Tenth Amendment is still part of the Constitution.

This is an interesting conundrum though. Will 'conservatives' support the 10th amendment in favor of gay marriage? Will 'liberals' throw gays under the bus in order to protect ObamaCare and other unconstitutional programs?

Stay tuned...

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Why do you not see these as distinct issues.

But then again distinct issues don't compute with you.  https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=120522.0

[Brittain33]

To respond to this seriously:

1) The ruling didn't "get us same-sex marriage," it got us federal recognition of marriages in accordance with state law. And it didn't really get us that, either, because this ruling is not favored to hold up all the way up the hierarchy of the courts and is probably stayed for the time being (or else I would have been directly affected by it.)

2) Lots of marriage equality advocates are not fans of the judge's ruling here. Not because it is going to set a precedent for overturning Obama's health care plan, but because it is considered a weak basis for changing the law and won't stand up, much like the Tenth Amendment objections to Obama's plan.

[Mercenary]

Contrary to popular belief, the Tenth Amendment is still part of the Constitution.

The federal government seems to disagree. As well as the 9th...

[Holmes]

Will 'conservatives' support the 10th amendment in favor of gay marriage?

No.

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Some.

[Free Palestine]

The federal government seems to disagree. As well as the 9th...

The Ninth Amendment in no way nullifies the Tenth Amendment.  And of course the federal government disagrees.  The Tenth Amendment is a burden to their power.

Seriously though, it is still part of the Constitution.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

Will 'conservatives' support the 10th amendment in favor of gay marriage?

No.

A number of conservatives have been saying DOMA is unconstitutional for years precisely because of the 10th Amendment.

Problem is, they think the way around that is a federal marriage amendment.`

[k-onmmunist]

Well, here's to hoping the corporate sellout known as ObamaCare gets chucked out and gay marriage is allowed.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

So, is this going to help the gay marrige cause or what?

It's leagal in 5 states, right?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Will 'conservatives' support the 10th amendment in favor of gay marriage?

No.

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Some.

I would think that would be the answer to both questions. Surely you don't think all conservatives are willing to throw away the 10th amendment and states' rights just to keep gays from marrying?

[Holmes]

Will 'conservatives' support the 10th amendment in favor of gay marriage?

No.

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Some.

I would think that would be the answer to both questions. Surely you don't think all conservatives are willing to throw away the 10th amendment and states' rights just to keep gays from marrying?

I think more liberals would be willing to throw gay marriage under the bus.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Will 'conservatives' support the 10th amendment in favor of gay marriage?

No.

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Some.

I would think that would be the answer to both questions. Surely you don't think all conservatives are willing to throw away the 10th amendment and states' rights just to keep gays from marrying?

I think more liberals would be willing to throw gay marriage under the bus.

What's your opinion on this situation? Would you rather keep DOMA and ObamaCare, or dump them both, if those were the only two choices?

[Dan the Roman]

I actually disagree with the people who think the Coakley's challenge here is not strong. The issue is not whether or not congress can define marriage. If congress so chooses it can issue marriage licenses itself, or have the federal government issue them. In that case the federal government can set whatever terms it wants.

But the Federal government has chosen to explicitly not issue licenses and instead outsource that to the states, and simply honor the licensees individual state's issue. Now a state has chosen in accordance with its laws to issue licenses to same-sex couples. I think legally the federal government has a choice. It can chose to argue that possession of a Massachusetts marriage license is on its own insufficient to gain federal benefits, or it can chose to honor all of them. What it can not do is create artificial distinctions between legally indistinct groups. Legally there is no difference in the position of an opposite sex couple with a MA marriage certificate and a same-sex couple with the same, because the basis on which benefits are given is not whether they are married, because no such concept exists in federal law, but because they possess that document. And Congress cannot use artificial categories to discriminate against individuals whose legal status is impossible to differentiate from people who are getting the benefits.

That said, Truro's wider tenth amendment arguments are bunk in my view.

[Derek]

I've been saying this whole time that the gay rights movement isn't being run by gays at all. I worked with literally a dozen gays last year and their view was that they've worked hard for a few decades to have a culture of their own and now democrats want to pervert their hard work by exploiting in to gain political votes for gay sympathizers who are actually straight. Gays don't want to us interfering with them.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I've been saying this whole time that the gay rights movement isn't being run by gays at all. I worked with literally a dozen gays last year and their view was that they've worked hard for a few decades to have a culture of their own and now democrats want to pervert their hard work by exploiting in to gain political votes for gay sympathizers who are actually straight. Gays don't want to us interfering with them.

Obama and most Democrats are opposed to gay marriage.

[Lief 🗽]

I've been saying this whole time that the gay rights movement isn't being run by gays at all. I worked with literally a dozen gays last year and their view was that they've worked hard for a few decades to have a culture of their own and now democrats want to pervert their hard work by exploiting in to gain political votes for gay sympathizers who are actually straight. Gays don't want to us interfering with them.

Don't lie, you don't know any gays.

[Brittain33]

now democrats want to pervert their hard work by exploiting in to gain political votes for gay sympathizers who are actually straight. Gays don't want to us interfering with them.

I can not conceive of a gay person holding this position, and I know a few more than a dozen. Gay Republicanism, I get. Gays who don't care about gay rights as opposed to other issues, I also get. Cynicism and mistrust of the Democrats, boy, do I get. This makes no sense, though.

[k-onmmunist]

I've been saying this whole time that the gay rights movement isn't being run by gays at all. I worked with literally a dozen gays last year and their view was that they've worked hard for a few decades to have a culture of their own and now democrats want to pervert their hard work by exploiting in to gain political votes for gay sympathizers who are actually straight. Gays don't want to us interfering with them.

Obviously you're so well versed to tell gay people what they do or do not want.

[Holmes]

Derek met his local GOProud chapter.

[Holmes]

Come on, get your talking points together people! I thought the gay rights movement was run by Tim Gill, that gay billionaire from Colorado. Anyone with half a brain cell would know that! Maybe it's why you don't know it, Vanderblah. Forgiven!

[Mechaman]

Derek is right.  Most of the people who run the gay rights movement aren't actually gay (or LGBT to the elite), just social engineers who want to transform the fabric of human society.  But they all fall under the umbrella category of freaks.

Yeah just like most of the people who run the homophobe movement aren't actually straight.....

[Zarn]

Derek is right.  Most of the people who run the gay rights movement aren't actually gay (or LGBT to the elite), just social engineers who want to transform the fabric of human society.  But they all fall under the umbrella category of freaks.

Yeah just like most of the people who run the homophobe movement aren't actually straight.....

Zing!

[k-onmmunist]

Derek is right.  Most of the people who run the gay rights movement aren't actually gay (or LGBT to the elite), just social engineers who want to transform the fabric of human society.  But they all fall under the umbrella category of freaks.

Yeah just like most of the people who run the homophobe movement aren't actually straight.....

Zing!