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Question: Do you support Obamacare?
I oppose it from the left.   -23 (25%)
I oppose it from the right.   -25 (27.2%)
I oppose it from the center (i.e. I would support Wyden-Bennett or similar)   -2 (2.2%)
I would prefer something else, but support it.   -38 (41.3%)
I wholeheartedly support it.   -4 (4.3%)
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Total Voters: 92

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« on: July 26, 2010, 07:49:51 pm »
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What is your opinion of the recent massive health care legislation passed in the US?
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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2010, 08:02:19 pm »
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I oppose it from the right.
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2010, 08:26:04 pm »
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As a non-fascist, I oppose ObamaCare, period.
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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2010, 09:24:54 pm »
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As a non-fascist, I oppose ObamaCare, period.
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2010, 09:39:11 pm »
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Oppose it from the left.
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2010, 09:40:58 pm »
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Since I'm not a leftist that lives in a fantasy-land and because I think that the bill does a lot of good things, I support it.
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2010, 10:13:55 pm »
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Strongly oppose it from the left. It does some good things (and some other things I find very questionable), but a bill securing a public option would have been an infinitely better use of congress's time.
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2010, 10:18:59 pm »
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Since I'm not a leftist that lives in a fantasy-land and because I think that the bill does a lot of good things, I support it.

You're right, you don't live in any developed nation other than the U.S. (or as you call it, "fantasy-land"). I'm glad to hear you're not a "leftist", like the Tories, Aussie Liberals, Canadian Conservatives, CDU, etc etc. Those Che-tshirt wearing bra burning Trotskyite pinkos are so far out there...
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2010, 11:48:37 pm »
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Hopefully from what I have heard it violates interstate commerce laws and will be struck down as un-constitutional.
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2010, 12:35:10 am »
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Since I'm not a leftist that lives in a fantasy-land and because I think that the bill does a lot of good things, I support it.

Presumably the rest of the developed world is a fantasy-land.
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2010, 01:57:43 am »
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Since I'm not a leftist that lives in a fantasy-land and because I think that the bill does a lot of good things, I support it.

You're right, you don't live in any developed nation other than the U.S. (or as you call it, "fantasy-land"). I'm glad to hear you're not a "leftist", like the Tories, Aussie Liberals, Canadian Conservatives, CDU, etc etc. Those Che-tshirt wearing bra burning Trotskyite pinkos are so far out there...

The idea that we could pass anything like single-payer in one go in this country is a fantasy. Now, the system that the Democrats did pass, puts us on the track to transition our healthcare system into something like Germany or the Netherland's, which would be a fine one. But it won't happen over-night or in a single bill.

I would love if our country was normal, like the rest of the Western developed world, where our Democratic party represented the center-right, we had some sort of sensible center-left social democrat/labor party, and the Republicans were a fringe party that got 10% of the vote if they're lucky. But we're not.
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2010, 02:13:40 am »
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As a non-fascist, I oppose ObamaCare, period.

Ok, so an entire Europe which doesn't leave citizens to die without health care is fascist?
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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2010, 02:17:12 am »
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As a non-fascist, I oppose ObamaCare, period.

Ok, so an entire Europe which doesn't leave citizens to die without health care is fascist?

He's going to say yes. Why did you ask that. Tongue
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2010, 11:37:25 am »
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Who on earth would call this Health care bill 'massive', other than a right-wing propagandist, wormyguy?  It only spends insignificant amounts of money on a problem which deserves about triple the resources.
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2010, 12:11:27 pm »
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I oppose it.

First of all I don't think the federal government should be involved in health care. It should be a state or local issue. At the state or local level though I would support a "single payer" or whatever as long as it didn't include abortions.

Second of all it mandates the purchase of a corporate product. You cannot really get more corporatist than that.

So ultimately I oppose it both from the right and the left. I would have preferred the original house bill as at least it had a public option so it didn't mandate the purchase of a corporate product, but I still didn't support that one either.
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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2010, 12:14:24 pm »
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Since most of what passed won't be taking effect for quite sometime, who knows, and who knows if the Senate will keep it's promise to put a public option in it......who knows, ya know?Huh
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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2010, 12:30:43 pm »
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I'd oppose it from the left. I'd much prefer a system that would liberate business, and employers, from the 'burden' of providing it
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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2010, 05:42:33 pm »
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I'd prefer a system of single payer for all children and young adults under 25, the elderly over 65, and the indigent and disabled.

The government option should then also be offered to the working poor with income and number of dependents determining out of pocket costs.

Working adults should get their health insurance on their own through a myriad of choices like health insurance cooperatives, non profit insurance organizations, and health saving accounts that are tax free for any amount spent on health care.

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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2010, 05:44:30 pm »
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Support, though it's not what I wanted.
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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2010, 08:50:09 pm »
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Who on earth would call this Health care bill 'massive', other than a right-wing propagandist, wormyguy?  It only spends insignificant amounts of money on a problem which deserves about triple the resources.
Well, considering that it spends more money per year than the entire GDP of Hungary, and it radically restructures the American healthcare system, I think that it's fair to call it "massive." I suppose that makes me a "right-wing propagandist."
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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2010, 09:00:42 pm »
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Oppose, label me what you want. I actually don't have that firm of an idea of what I think we should do for healthcare, certain aspects of both Paul Ryan and Mike Gravel's voucher plans appeal but that's really all that comes to mind. Honestly the way things are now I think discussing healthcare reform is almost a moot point though, given the severity of our problems and the total inability for people to discuss any real comprehensive reform given the HMOS/AMA/AARP/etc...
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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2010, 09:04:00 pm »
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Oh and hi Wormy, I recognize you from The Ark!
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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2010, 09:08:50 pm »
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Oh and hi Wormy, I recognize you from The Ark!
Hi - who are you?
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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2010, 09:42:55 pm »
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Oh and hi Wormy, I recognize you from The Ark!

AH.com is much better.
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« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2010, 10:04:17 pm »
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Oh and hi Wormy, I recognize you from The Ark!
Hi - who are you?

PMed you that info. Tongue

Oh and hi Wormy, I recognize you from The Ark!

AH.com is much better.

They have some good timelines and things still but I really can't stomach the 'culture' at this point.
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