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« on: April 25, 2012, 09:15:37 pm »
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This week has been we can safely say a disastrous one in terms of the news coming out of Europe. After what looked liked a slow recovery on the Continent early in the year, progress appears to be rapidly being rolled back again as we are entering the spring/summer. Due to concerns now of Spain in addition to longstanding ones about Italy and Greece. For instance, today Britain announced that it had just slipped back into recession.

One of the factors driving these new concerns are over elections coming early this May in France and Greece which as we know are two countries with the most at risk in this crisis.

In France unpopular center-right President Nicolas Sarkozy looks like he may very well lose to the moderately anti-austerity Francois Hollande of the Socialist Party. Both candidates are/have been under pressure from both far-right and far-left parties in this election cycle and Hollande in particular has made alot of rash statements about undoing all the cuts/austerity packages that Sarkozy has proposed as well as dramatically increasing French government spending.  This has alot of market observers worried, especially since there has been alot of concerns expressed last summer over the stability of French debt.

While in Greece, the technocratic Socialist government that has led the harsh austerity drive in that country as mandated by the EU. Is deeply unpopular in Greece as a whole and polls have shown it's support in a nosedive over the past year or so. However, the center-right opposition led by the New Democracy party isn't preforming any better and polling show them preforming just as bad. Instead the Greek far-left as well as the extreme right have seen the most gain's in terms of support and both are on track to do quite well in the election was held today. This also deeply concerns those in the markets due to the fact that such a strong red-tan performance could mean a rollback of many of the measures in Greece.

Not to mention the fact that the firmly German encamped Dutch government fell earlier this week also causing worry.

So I was wondering with such an anti-austerity backlash being seen at the polls, what is going to be the reaction in Europe and Globally in terms of the markets as well as economic news going forward?

I'd like to hear any speculation on it.

Personally I think we're heading into the same cycle we saw over the past two springs/summers, but this time around it's going to be worse due to existing and unrelated factors like the the PRC's economic growth slowdown.

But then again we'll have to wait and see.

 
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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2012, 09:21:45 pm »
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We can only hope they can roll back the austerity - without massive government action Europe will never leave the doldrums.
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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2012, 10:06:42 pm »
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We can only hope they can roll back the austerity - without massive government action Europe will never leave the doldrums.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2012, 06:44:35 pm »
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We can only hope they can roll back the austerity - without massive government action Europe will never leave the doldrums.

It's the right that caused this austerity fuelled crisis and they sure as hell shouldn't be allowed to even try and clean it up. Allez François et la gauche européenne!
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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2012, 03:34:58 pm »
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We can only hope they can roll back the austerity - without massive government action Europe will never leave the doldrums.
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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2012, 08:34:19 pm »
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2012, 08:26:23 am »
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The EU should have made the bailout money conditional on suspension of Greek elections until the crisis is over. The Greek public simply aren't mature/informed enough to accept the hard truth that their's no path without pain. They'd prefer to have a tantrum and refuse to accept reality.

Alas they will now get to impose their tantrum upon the political system, and in doing so probably trigger a global economic depression.

. I'm almost hoping for a coup in Greece.
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2012, 01:09:14 pm »
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Hollande shall be the doom of France, and thus Europe, and thus the World.
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2012, 06:01:00 pm »
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American conservatives love of Sarkozy is the weirdest thing.
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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2012, 07:46:10 pm »
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American conservatives love of Sarkozy is the weirdest thing.

Their continued fondness for the discredited Economist magazine is also irritating.
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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2012, 05:44:16 pm »
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Europe's "Bear Stearns moment," so to speak, is probably imminent. How much longer can this go on? Whether or not they will have their own version of "Lehman Brothers" is another story, but nothing would surprise me at this point.

Keynesian analysis without political context would lead one to believe that France has been in a recession for nearly forty straight years by virtue of their annual deficit spending each and every year for nearly half a century.

Guess what: The long-run is here, and we're not all dead! Not everybody is a gay, childless economist after all. Imagine that!
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2012, 06:46:07 pm »
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Keynesian analysis without political context would lead one to believe that France has been in a recession for nearly forty straight years by virtue of their annual deficit spending each and every year for nearly half a century.

And yet, France is much wealthier now than it was 40 years ago, and even if there is a crisis, it won't be because of deficit spending, it'll be because of the single currency.
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2012, 08:21:57 am »
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The EU should have made the bailout money conditional on suspension of Greek elections until the crisis is over. The Greek public simply aren't mature/informed enough to accept the hard truth that their's no path without pain. They'd prefer to have a tantrum and refuse to accept reality.

Alas they will now get to impose their tantrum upon the political system, and in doing so probably trigger a global economic depression.

. I'm almost hoping for a coup in Greece.

Please f*** off. Please.

Suffice to say if Politico and the Economist think Hollande is going to be a disaster than probably he won't be so bad (though I still fully expect the whole "we didn't know it was so bad so can't keep our promises" shtick to be rolled out slowly over the next few months. But whatevah).

Remember five years ago when the Economist kept singing the praises of Sarkozy and how he was going to make the French economy (I can't write the following the words without shuddering) competitive and modern again?
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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2012, 09:16:34 pm »

American conservatives love of Sarkozy is the weirdest thing.

Their continued fondness for the discredited Economist magazine is also irritating.

I notice your new nom de guerre on this forum Smiley) Could I call you, at least, Your Pumpkinship?
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