Australian Federal Election - Results Thread

[Swedish Cheese]

Personally, I think the more interesting question is who's going to replace Abbott or Gillard as party leader depending on which of them loses the negotiations.

Is Abbott necessary going to get kicked out as Coalition leader even if he lose the negociations though, considering the elction was so close and that Abbott still made a better effort than anyone expected. I don't know how these things work in Australia, but in Sweden at least a leader who greatly increased his/her party's numbers, even if they failed to win goverment, wouldn't necessary be kicked out.

[You kip if you want to...]

Personally, I think the more interesting question is who's going to replace Abbott or Gillard as party leader depending on which of them loses the negotiations.

Is Abbott necessary going to get kicked out as Coalition leader even if he lose the negociations though, considering the elction was so close and that Abbott still made a better effort than anyone expected. I don't know how these things work in Australia, but in Sweden at least a leader who greatly increased his/her party's numbers, even if they failed to win goverment, wouldn't necessary be kicked out.

I'm just jumping to conclusions based on what happens in the UK. Generally, except for Neil Kinnock, a losing leader ends up getting kicked out.

[Sibboleth]

The last Liberal leader who did not win an election and who stayed as Liberal leader for the next election was Robert Menzies in the mid 1940s. Labor sometimes keep defeated leaders for a while, though it depends on factional maths and such things.

[rob in cal]

Assuming LibNats win one of the last seats still outstanding bringing their total to 73, and since three of the independents are former Nats I believe, doesnt' that point to a pretty strong chance for a 76 seat majority for a Libnat government?  From what I briefly read about these three independents, none of them left the Nationals because they were turning left-ward in their politics, and arent' their seats rural, the type that would be unlikely to elect a Labour candidate? (so if they ended up supporting Labour that would hardly go down well in their district?)

[You kip if you want to...]

Assuming LibNats win one of the last seats still outstanding, and since three of the independents are former Nats I believe, doesnt' that point to a pretty strong chance for a 76 seat majority for a Libnat government?

The media keep stressing this whole "the INDs left the Nationals for a reason" mantra, so who know. I think, at this point, it's just a waiting game.

[Sibboleth]

Windsor hasn't been a National for twenty years.

[Vasall des Midas]

Bob Katter's political positions are more old Labour right - okay antediluvian Labour right - than anything else.

[Hashemite]

since three of the independents are former Nats I believe, doesnt' that point to a pretty strong chance for a 76 seat majority for a Libnat government?

It certainly isn't as easy or straightforward as that.

[Vasall des Midas]

Windsor hasn't been a National for twenty years.

He's never been a National elected officeholder, actually.

Still a center-right man of course.

[Mr. Morden]

Personally, I think the more interesting question is who's going to replace Abbott or Gillard as party leader depending on which of them loses the negotiations.

Is Abbott necessary going to get kicked out as Coalition leader even if he lose the negociations though, considering the elction was so close and that Abbott still made a better effort than anyone expected.

That's my guy feeling as well.  The Liberals are cheering Abbott as a hero for turning around their bleak situation from last year.  Even if Labor still "wins" this election, why would they get rid of him now?

[You kip if you want to...]

Canada, the UK and Australia all have hung parliaments now under systems that are designed to prevent such situations.

[Mr. Morden]

Just came home, so who won ?

Nobody.

Weird. What´s happening now ?

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[State Comptroller Atkins]

How long will the handbags negotiations take?

[London Man]

Canada, the UK and Australia all have hung parliaments now under systems that are designed to prevent such situations.

Ironic, isn't it?

[You kip if you want to...]

Canada, the UK and Australia all have hung parliaments now under systems that are designed to prevent such situations.

Ironic, isn't it?

Exactly.

I forgot, India has one as well under FPTP. The UPA hold 262 of 545 seats.

[Hashemite]

Canada, the UK and Australia all have hung parliaments now under systems that are designed to prevent such situations.

No party has a majority of seats in Zimbabwe's parliament, which is elected using FPTP, either

[Mr. Morden]

Canada, the UK and Australia all have hung parliaments now under systems that are designed to prevent such situations.

Yes, though Canada and the UK have had sizable third parties for a while now.  This election in Australia is more like a "tie", in which everything comes down to what a handful of Independents decide to do.  The American analogy would be like having an election in which everything was decided on the basis of who Joe Lieberman and Charlie Crist decide to caucus with.

[Χahar]

What exactly is Windsor's problem with the Nats?

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

As a citizen of multi-party country, that use a proportional system of the seat distributions, I must say your screams "omg, no majority!" makes me laugh.

[Vasall des Midas]

What exactly is Windsor's problem with the Nats?

They deselected him when they first wanted to run him. Based on some false rumour. He ran as an indy and won anyways. (This was for the State House.) And has continued to do so. I'm not sure there's anything more to it besides him not needing them.

[I left.]

As a citizen of multi-party country, that use a proportional system of the seat distributions, I must say your screams "omg, no majority!" makes me laugh.

And I laugh at the crazy coalition building in Germany often....but hey, every country has its problems.

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

As a citizen of multi-party country, that use a proportional system of the seat distributions, I must say your screams "omg, no majority!" makes me laugh.

And I laugh at the crazy coalition building in Germany often....but hey, every country has its problems.

Haha, luckily in Poland we have a party that was already in every possible coallition (we never had a majority government of course) and shortly before every election is leaving the coallition to have better results, that would enable them to form yet another coalition.

But wait, they're on the straight path to fail to reach a 5% thereshold in 2011.

Now, most likely is PO-SLD Government after 2011. And that's going to be really weird.

[redcommander]

I will say whatever happens Abbott was the winner of the election. The coalition seemed destined to be in the political wilderness, and he brought it back to become viable again. Unlike the UK where Cameron failed to meat expectations, Abbott exceeded his in preventing Labour from governing in its own right when it appeared that they would have a narrow majority. BTW why is Labour and the third parties doing so well in the senate results?

[Sibboleth]

Witter elsewhere please.

[Χahar]

The Democratic Labor Party that elected a Senator today isn't the same one as the group that allowed the Liberals to recieve the votes of Catholic workers back in the day, is it?