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« on: August 24, 2010, 04:08:47 AM »

A superb article, this, full of his usual insight and humour. One of my favourite lines is below, but I urge everyone to read the whole thing


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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2010, 08:43:36 AM »

A superb article, this, full of his usual insight and humour. One of my favourite lines is below, but I urge everyone to read the whole thing


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Yes, but we Brits don't matter with out socialistic ways to the Mosque protester crowd.
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2010, 09:14:48 AM »

A superb article, this, full of his usual insight and humour. One of my favourite lines is below, but I urge everyone to read the whole thing


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Yes, but we Brits don't matter with out socialistic ways to the Mosque protester crowd.

Oh yeah, I forgot.  Our socialist paradise is poison to the Tea Party.....
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2010, 11:11:34 AM »

I wouldn't care if they were building it on the rubble of the WTC itself, frankly.  It'd be a more fitting tribute than the f**king Freedom Tower.
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2010, 12:10:56 PM »

Who takes a sh**t in a pub?
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2010, 11:12:45 PM »

A superb article, this, full of his usual insight and humour. One of my favourite lines is below, but I urge everyone to read the whole thing


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Yes, but we Brits don't matter with out socialistic ways to the Mosque protester crowd.

Mind you, your crazies are worse about these sorts of things.
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2010, 01:53:49 AM »

A superb article, this, full of his usual insight and humour. One of my favourite lines is below, but I urge everyone to read the whole thing


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/23/charlie-brooker-ground-zero-mosque

Yes, but we Brits don't matter with out socialistic ways to the Mosque protester crowd.

Mind you, your crazies are worse about these sorts of things.

Oh I'll grant you that, we have some fantastic crazies. Our talk show radio phone-ins may give yours a run for their money...
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2010, 02:16:56 AM »

A superb article, this, full of his usual insight and humour. One of my favourite lines is below, but I urge everyone to read the whole thing


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/23/charlie-brooker-ground-zero-mosque

Yes, but we Brits don't matter with out socialistic ways to the Mosque protester crowd.

Mind you, your crazies are worse about these sorts of things.

Oh I'll grant you that, we have some fantastic crazies. Our talk show radio phone-ins may give yours a run for their money...

Do your talk-show hosts say the n-word repeatedly, too!?
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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2010, 03:17:49 AM »

A superb article, this, full of his usual insight and humour. One of my favourite lines is below, but I urge everyone to read the whole thing


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/23/charlie-brooker-ground-zero-mosque

Yes, but we Brits don't matter with out socialistic ways to the Mosque protester crowd.

Mind you, your crazies are worse about these sorts of things.

Oh I'll grant you that, we have some fantastic crazies. Our talk show radio phone-ins may give yours a run for their money...

Do your talk-show hosts say the n-word repeatedly, too!?

One was sacked for calling someone a Nazi, if that's what you mean Wink Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2010, 03:35:50 PM »


more of a rant than an article.  this guy is more rambling and verbose than I am.  and there's absolutely no new information here.  I and others have been making the point since this dust-up began. 

on the bright side, he's absolutely right:  professional fearmongerers and exaggerators have whipped New Yorkers and other Americans into a frenzy, and the newsmedia professionals are either too lazy or too stupid to call them on it.

But doesn't anyone find it remarkable that we are so easily misled?  No mention of this in Booker's article.  I, for one, found it positively astonishing at first.  The first thread about a mosque appeared here about a month ago, and I remember posting about how sweet and fitting it was, and all that, not imagining that within a month New Yorkers would be molded into a frenzied, hateful mob over what turns out to not even to be a mosque, but a cultural center intended to foster inter-faith dialogue. 

Here's an excerpt from Obama's speech of August 14:

"As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country.  And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in Lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America. And our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country and that they will not be treated differently by their government is essential to who we are. The writ of the Founders must endure."

Good for him.  I may not agree with Obama about the role of government, but he's dead right about this.  If we let the bullies and bigots win, then we're as weak and soulless a people as our enemies claim we are.
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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2010, 06:14:47 PM »


That's the point; Brooker isn't a columnist, so much as an especially acidic TV critic who's rants are sufficiently amusing that he gets a weekly piece in a pull-out section of the paper in which he gets to rant about anything he wants.
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« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2010, 06:16:56 PM »


more of a rant than an article.  this guy is more rambling and verbose than I am.  and there's absolutely no new information here.  I and others have been making the point since this dust-up began. 

on the bright side, he's absolutely right:  professional fearmongerers and exaggerators have whipped New Yorkers and other Americans into a frenzy, and the newsmedia professionals are either too lazy or too stupid to call them on it.

But doesn't anyone find it remarkable that we are so easily misled?  No mention of this in Booker's article.  I, for one, found it positively astonishing at first.  The first thread about a mosque appeared here about a month ago, and I remember posting about how sweet and fitting it was, and all that, not imagining that within a month New Yorkers would be molded into a frenzied, hateful mob over what turns out to not even to be a mosque, but a cultural center intended to foster inter-faith dialogue. 

Here's an excerpt from Obama's speech of August 14:

"As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country.  And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in Lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America. And our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country and that they will not be treated differently by their government is essential to who we are. The writ of the Founders must endure."

Good for him.  I may not agree with Obama about the role of government, but he's dead right about this.  If we let the bullies and bigots win, then we're as weak and soulless a people as our enemies claim we are.


Exactly. I think any elected official deserves respect if they're willing to do what's right and not just what's popular.
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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2010, 02:07:50 AM »


Well yes, Charlie does get like that some times.... You're right about the main issue, too. The manner in which the protest movement has been duped as much as rallied is staggering.
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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2010, 02:49:51 AM »

Brooker is right.  And it's not really a rant.
He is making fun of idiots. And he should,
because they deserve it.
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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2010, 12:59:43 PM »

Exactly. I think any elected official deserves respect if they're willing to do what's right and not just what's popular.

Indeed.  This is also true for those with whom you probably disagree most of the time.  To wit:


Islam is peace...

When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world...  And that's made brothers and sisters out of every race...

America counts millions of Muslims amongst our citizens, and Muslims make an incredibly valuable contribution to our country. Muslims are doctors, lawyers, law professors, members of the military, entrepreneurs, shopkeepers, moms and dads. And they need to be treated with respect. In our anger and emotion, our fellow Americans must treat each other with respect.

Women who cover their heads in this country must feel comfortable going outside their homes. Moms who wear cover must be not intimidated in America. That's not the America I know. That's not the America I value.

I've been told that some fear to leave; some don't want to go shopping for their families; some don't want to go about their ordinary daily routines because, by wearing cover, they're afraid they'll be intimidated. That should not and that will not stand in America.


Those who feel like they can intimidate our fellow citizens to take out their anger don't represent the best of America, they represent the worst of humankind, and they should be ashamed of that kind of behavior.

This is a great country. It's a great country because we share the same values of respect and dignity and human worth. And it is my honor to be meeting with Muslim leaders who feel just the same way I do. They're outraged, they're sad. They love America just as much as I do.


--President George W. Bush, September 17, 2001
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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2010, 12:41:47 AM »

President Bush made such statements repeatedly.
On this issue, by all means, three loud cheers for
President Bush.
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