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« on: November 11, 2004, 10:06:53 AM »

The debate is raging hot over whether or not Saving Private Ryan on broadcast TV.  Many watch groups think that it is too violent to show.

My question is: regardless of what you think of violence on TV, should movies like Saving Private Ryan be allowed to air on network TV when the violence in those films is not gratuitous, but rather is a true dipiction of reality or an actual event?
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2004, 10:16:14 AM »

Yes. Fake violence is often portrayed as 'cool'. The violence in SPR is realistic, grim, and certainly doesn't leave you with the feeling 'man that was cool' - it leaves you somber and thinking.
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2004, 10:17:24 AM »

Let it be shown.  I think this same debate surrounded the airing of Schindler's List on NBC a few years ago.  If it's deemed too intense for kids, let the parents turn the channel.
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2004, 10:42:27 AM »

Do people actually watch movies on network TV anymore?  The commercials alone are a reason not to tune in.

I just hate TV editing.  If they can't show it as it is, then they probably shoudn't show it at all.  Although I do get a kick out of some of the dubs that are put into cursing scenes in movies.  Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2004, 04:28:48 PM »

Do people actually watch movies on network TV anymore?  The commercials alone are a reason not to tune in.

I just hate TV editing.  If they can't show it as it is, then they probably shoudn't show it at all.  Although I do get a kick out of some of the dubs that are put into cursing scenes in movies.  Smiley

According to ABC, they will air only limted commerical. And I don't think the movie is going to be edited for television.
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2004, 04:45:17 PM »

The Band of Brothers is far better.

Have you seen it?
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2004, 04:47:32 PM »

There should be no censorship!
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2004, 07:23:29 PM »

One of the networks that has refused to show it is from my hometown, and one of the others is in Omaha.  If the soldiers were having sex with each other, no one would have a problem with it.
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2004, 08:34:48 PM »

The Band of Brothers is far better.

Have you seen it?

Yes.  But to be fair, the series is ten hours long, which allows for it to be better.

I'm against any restrictions against nudity and gore for public TV.
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2004, 08:55:46 PM »

The Band of Brothers is far better.

Have you seen it?

Yes.  But to be fair, the series is ten hours long, which allows for it to be better.

I'm against any restrictions against nudity and gore for public TV.

One day, I think FOX will be a free hardcore porn station. Wink
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2004, 09:08:41 PM »

The Band of Brothers is far better.

Have you seen it?

Yes.  But to be fair, the series is ten hours long, which allows for it to be better.

I'm against any restrictions against nudity and gore for public TV.

One day, I think FOX will be a free hardcore porn station. Wink
Marge Simpson to Homer in the "future episode" FOX became porn channel so slowly that I didn't even noticed it"

I would like to see Foxnews as a porn channel.
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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2004, 12:07:04 AM »

I found the intro especially interesting.  They had a vet who was wounded six times in 36 hours introduce the movie, along with Senator McCain - stating that it was important to understand realisticly what our combat veterains went through.

I thought about how the modern republican party would react to this.  Wounded several times in 36 hours?  Who cares, I've been injured worse mowing the lawn or somesuch.  At one time the Republican party stood for something - It respected the sacrifice of our troops, and held strongly to the high ideals for which they fought: Freedom, liberty, the whole ball of wax.

Now the modern republican party gives little more than lip service to the sacrifice of soldiers, modern and past.  They gladly take credit for the sacrifice of others, but consider spending tons of money on a SDI system which has no purpose other than as corporate slush, while neglecting body armor for our troops.  The old republican party is dead, replaced by it's most extreme and pathetic elements - Greedy jackals who profit from war and suffering, and hypocritical almost taliban like religious zealots who commit massive hypocracy in the name of Jesus.  There are still a few real republicans left,  but they no longer hold much sway over the party barring a bit of lip service here and there.

I morn the loss of the real GOP.   Truth is, these days the Libertarinans are far closer to traditional Republican ideals than the folks now in control of the party.
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2004, 01:00:53 AM »

I morn the loss of the real GOP.   Truth is, these days the Libertarinans are far closer to traditional Republican ideals than the folks now in control of the party.

Who's to say what the "real" GOP is?  Is it necessarily the party of Goldwater and Reagan?  Libertarians certainly don't seem much like the Republicans of the progressive era:  TR, La Follette, Hiram Johnson, etc...
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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2004, 01:04:25 AM »

The debate is raging hot over whether or not Saving Private Ryan on broadcast TV.  Many watch groups think that it is too violent to show.

My question is: regardless of what you think of violence on TV, should movies like Saving Private Ryan be allowed to air on network TV when the violence in those films is not gratuitous, but rather is a true dipiction of reality or an actual event?

Yes, it should be shown. I'm strongly agaisnt censorship, but especially when the violence is realistic. It's an accurate dipiction and thus definitely should be shown; it does society good to see what really goes on in war.

Schindler's List was allowed to be shown as well, as well it should have been.
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2004, 02:28:10 AM »

The Band of Brothers is far better.

Have you seen it?

Yes.  But to be fair, the series is ten hours long, which allows for it to be better.

I'm against any restrictions against nudity and gore for public TV.

One day, I think FOX will be a free hardcore porn station. Wink
Marge Simpson to Homer in the "future episode" FOX became porn channel so slowly that I didn't even noticed it"

I would like to see Foxnews as a porn channel.

I don't know about you, but I don't want to see Shepard Smith, Bill O'Reilly, or Greta Van Sustren naked.
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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2004, 02:33:47 AM »

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I don't know about you, but I don't want to see Shepard Smith, Bill O'Reilly, or Greta Van Sustren naked.
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How about Ann Coulter?  Intellectually, she makes me want to vomit, but she may have a hot bod.
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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2004, 02:37:23 AM »

I wouldn't mind seeing Laurie Dhue. Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2004, 02:46:11 AM »

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Marge Simpson to Homer in the "future episode" FOX became porn channel so slowly that I didn't even noticed it"

I would like to see Foxnews as a porn channel.

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I don't know about you, but I don't want to see Shepard Smith, Bill O'Reilly, or Greta Van Sustren naked.
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How about Ann Coulter?  Intellectually, she makes me want to vomit, but she may have a hot bod.
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I dunno, not my type. Thinking about her politics probably turns me off from her in all forms.
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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2004, 02:50:58 AM »

Who knows, maybe Bill O'Reilly has a...

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never mind.
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« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2004, 02:52:57 AM »

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Marge Simpson to Homer in the "future episode" FOX became porn channel so slowly that I didn't even noticed it"

I would like to see Foxnews as a porn channel.

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I don't know about you, but I don't want to see Shepard Smith, Bill O'Reilly, or Greta Van Sustren naked.
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How about Ann Coulter?  Intellectually, she makes me want to vomit, but she may have a hot bod.
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I dunno, not my type. Thinking about her politics probably turns me off from her in all forms.

Same here. The brain matters a lot to me, and she's not my type physically anyway.

Yeah, I know I'm a little different than most guys, I guess. Vive la difference.
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« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2004, 10:14:44 AM »

The Band of Brothers is far better.

Have you seen it?

Yes.  But to be fair, the series is ten hours long, which allows for it to be better.

I'm against any restrictions against nudity and gore for public TV.

One day, I think FOX will be a free hardcore porn station. Wink
Marge Simpson to Homer in the "future episode" FOX became porn channel so slowly that I didn't even noticed it"

I would like to see Foxnews as a porn channel.
In the case of FOX, yes, that would definitely be an improvement.
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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2004, 04:54:14 PM »

Private Ryan was a very good movie.  It was a good story well portrayed, and the violence didn't seem overwhelming to me.  I don't usually watch violent films but this one was recommended to me.  I don't have a problem with Privat Ryan on network TV, but I do with many other films.  I didn't care for "Windtalkers" for more reasons than just the violence, but I understand that this is nothing more than opinion.  Didn't they show Private Ryan on network TV 2 or 3 years ago?
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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2004, 05:23:11 PM »

Saving Private Ryan is a great movie and I am glad it was aired, and that the FCC has been backing ABC on this. It's a (somewhat) historically accurate movie which both honors our soldiers and de-glorifies war - both of which are very important.
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