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Question: What idea do you like the most?
#1
Flat Tax w/ $35,000 exemption
 
#2
Federal Sales Tax w/ rebate to help lower class
 
#3
VAT (Value Added Tax)
 
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Total Voters: 33

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A18
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E: 9.23, S: -6.35

« on: November 06, 2004, 04:02:31 PM »

Progressives only, then.

I'm for the sales tax, but it'll probably end up more like a flat tax.
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A18
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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2004, 06:26:03 PM »

Anyone 18+ gets a rebate, plus a small amount per child.
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A18
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2004, 09:51:48 PM »

A VAT would lead to another complicated federal tax code for retailers, IMO.

I think we should start with a more simplified income tax and try to transition to a sales tax over time.
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A18
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E: 9.23, S: -6.35

« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2004, 03:35:45 PM »
« Edited: November 07, 2004, 03:43:02 PM by Philip »

Anyone 18+ gets a rebate, plus a small amount per child.

so in other words you would be screwed, unless your parents buy you everything. why  over high schoolers?

if everyone 18+ gets a rebate, wouldn't it be pointless then?

Just answer this flat out: would I have to pay more or less under this plan making about $10k a year? If more then it's a bad idea.

You only get a rebate to refund all taxes on poverty level spending.

Making $10,000 a year ... I don't know.
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A18
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2004, 03:42:37 PM »

Think of the huge burden that would put on retailers, having to look up what the VAT rate is.

Also, I don't like the socialist element to it.
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A18
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E: 9.23, S: -6.35

« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2004, 12:52:53 PM »

You get to keep your whole check though so you'd have more disposable income to purchase your goodies.


What about payroll taxes?

I think the sales tax abolishes federal corporate and payroll taxes.
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A18
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E: 9.23, S: -6.35

« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2004, 07:41:27 PM »

The idea is to pay people up front, so the sales tax doesn't matter if you're living paycheck to paycheck.

I agree with you that complexity is the main flaw, but as a libertarian-leaning Republican, I don't really like having to report my income to the government every year.
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A18
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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2004, 09:00:51 PM »

Corporate taxes just get passed on to consumers (and/or lower employee wages).

We need to adopt a uniform method of taxation, whether it be sales, income, or whatever.
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A18
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E: 9.23, S: -6.35

« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2004, 09:54:58 PM »


All of these ideas are horrible, and if Bush even proposes one of them, it will constitute a betrayal of the American's people's trust in him.   He never mentioned any of them during the campaign, because to do so would have meant losing in a landslide.

Reactionary liberals...
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A18
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E: 9.23, S: -6.35

« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2004, 02:58:53 PM »

The idea is to pay people up front, so the sales tax doesn't matter if you're living paycheck to paycheck.

I agree with you that complexity is the main flaw, but as a libertarian-leaning Republican, I don't really like having to report my income to the government every year.

Then I would think you'd disapprove of giving the government an interest free loan for a good part of the year.

It's not a loan. It's yours to keep.
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A18
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E: 9.23, S: -6.35

« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2004, 12:20:59 PM »

There are a bunch of different sales tax proposals floating around.

Here's an overview: http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-272es.html

How to make it non-regressive: http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-289.html
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A18
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E: 9.23, S: -6.35

« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2004, 07:46:37 PM »

The corporate tax should remain until we can kill off about half of the federal government's spending.
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A18
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E: 9.23, S: -6.35

« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2004, 07:56:45 PM »

All corporate taxes get passed on to consumers. We just need to leave it in place for a while so people don't realize they're being taxed during the transition period.
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