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« Reply #550 on: November 16, 2011, 01:09:55 PM »

The Portugal-Bosnia game was insane. I didn't get to see it but following it on ESPN.com nearly gave me a heart attack.
I saw it all. Technically fine playing, loads of goals, loads of dodgy refereeing. Bosnia slightly stronger, and it would have been the neutral observer's Perfect Game.

I get a feeling that if either Postiga or Coentrao had been sent off at 3-2 (and it would have been a useless, stupid, non-compulsory second yellow for either... but no worse than Lulic's... and yeah, they both had a foul where the possibility must have occurred to the ref during that period), Bosnia would probably have pulled through. And it wouldn't have been deserved, looking at the whole 90 minutes. But it probably would have felt deserved.
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« Reply #551 on: November 16, 2011, 03:35:24 PM »

In pot 4 it's very hard to tell. I think Ireland is the one you want though. France has such good quality player-wise I wouldn't want to face them even with their poor record over the last few years.

I'd want to face Czech Republic over Ireland. Aside from their impressive showing in the playoff round, they've been rusty over the past few years. Their qualifying campaign was lackluster and they didn't even get to the World Cup last year.

Well, then again, neither did Ireland. Wink

Yeah but we'll never really know if they would have gotten there if it wasn't for a certain incident...

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Their last tournament was in 2002. I guess the point cuts both ways but I think there is more proof of the Czechs as a declining power and Ireland as a "hot" team.
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« Reply #552 on: November 17, 2011, 12:46:40 AM »

Meanwhile, French coach surrenders before the tournament even begins.
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« Reply #553 on: November 17, 2011, 02:47:09 AM »

The Czechs used to be good, so I might be overrating them. They were at least in last Euros. When was Ireland last in a tournament?

Their last tournament was in 2002. I guess the point cuts both ways but I think there is more proof of the Czechs as a declining power and Ireland as a "hot" team.

No worries guys, a [Ukraine/Poland]-Italy-Sweden-Ireland group could be ok with me. Wink

Our record against both Italy and Sweden is pretty good.

Since losing to Italy, in Rome, in the 1990 World Cup Quarter Finals, we've played Italy in 3 competitive games, won 1 (WC 94) and drawn the other two (WC Qualifiers 2009).

We've played Sweden only twice in my lifetime. Both friendlies. We won both (2-0 in 1999 and 3-0 in 2006).
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« Reply #554 on: November 17, 2011, 12:38:19 PM »


What the hell? I understand downplaying expectations but this is taking it way too far.
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« Reply #555 on: November 17, 2011, 12:55:05 PM »

Out of boredom, I decided to pick my ideal groups and knockout round matches...

Group A

Poland                              
Italy
Greece                     
Ireland


Group B

Spain                        
Russia                        
Croatia                     
France


Group C

The Netherlands                        
England
Sweden                  
Czech Republic


Group D

Ukraine                                    
Germany
Portugal                  
Denmark


Quarter finals

Italy vs. France
The Netherlands vs. Portugal
Spain vs. Ireland
Germany vs. England

Semi finals

Italy vs. The Netherlands
Spain vs. England

Final

Italy vs. Spain


If you want to do the same, be warned: the bracket for the knockout rounds will not be like the 2008 tournament, meaning a group winner cannot meet the group runner up in the Semi final. The only way they could meet again is in the Final.
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« Reply #556 on: November 17, 2011, 12:58:59 PM »

Quarter finals
Germany vs. England

Semi finals
Spain vs. England

LOL, no. That's not how this sport works. Tongue
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« Reply #557 on: November 17, 2011, 01:54:10 PM »

Quarter finals
Germany vs. England

Semi finals
Spain vs. England

LOL, no. That's not how this sport works. Tongue

That's why I said this is what I want to see.  Wink  Quite frankly, I wouldn't care if Germany won. That's perfectly acceptable. It would set up another great Semi final but I'd like some interesting stories out of the tournament and "England finally beats Germany!" would be one of them.  Tongue
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« Reply #558 on: November 17, 2011, 04:21:45 PM »



Group A

Poland                              
Germany
Croatia
Ireland


Group B

Spain                        
Russia                        
Greece                                          
Czech Republic


Group C

The Netherlands                        
Italy
Portugal                                    
France


Group D

Ukraine                                    
England
Sweden
Denmark


Quarter finals

Germany vs. Czech Republic
The Netherlands vs. Sweden
Spain vs. Croatia
England vs. France

Semi finals

Germany vs. The Netherlands
Spain vs. England

Final

Germany vs. England


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« Reply #559 on: November 23, 2011, 10:51:13 AM »

http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/rankingtable/index.html

Italy down three spots to 9th (totally ridiculous) and Croatia up four spots to 8th. England surpasses Brazil.
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« Reply #560 on: November 23, 2011, 12:01:11 PM »

Quite frankly, I wouldn't care if Germany won.

But I would, especially in the political atmosphere of the day.
Germany should drop out in disgrace early in the tournament.

Of course they wouldn't, they will probably win the tournament or at least come second.
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« Reply #561 on: November 23, 2011, 01:02:10 PM »

Germany should drop out in disgrace early in the tournament.

wut.
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« Reply #562 on: November 23, 2011, 01:38:16 PM »


He's ashamed of Germany or something because we're demanding responsibility from other EU countries.
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« Reply #563 on: November 23, 2011, 02:48:31 PM »


For the record I never supported the German national squad.

But this time, they really deserve to loose. It would by great if they lost against Greese (unlikely) or perhaps Italy (more likely).
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« Reply #564 on: November 23, 2011, 03:14:11 PM »


For the record I never supported the German national squad.

But this time, they really deserve to loose. It would by great if they lost against Greese (unlikely) or perhaps Italy (more likely).

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« Reply #565 on: November 23, 2011, 03:23:23 PM »

I think we can all agree that Germany is trying to do through the Euro what it could not through panzers, but that's no reason not to support your national team.
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« Reply #566 on: November 23, 2011, 03:30:28 PM »

A German rooting for Italy to beat Germany in a Soccer tournament. Excellent.
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« Reply #567 on: November 23, 2011, 03:37:03 PM »


My friends, I never supported our national team. Can't tell you why.

It started when I was a little guy in 1996 and I just loved the England team, because of their wonderful gray jerseys, because of Shearer, Gascoigne, Seaman: Just great. The Germans couldn't offer me anything like that. And it didn't change.

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« Reply #568 on: November 23, 2011, 03:42:37 PM »

Most people who're a) leftish b) major fans of a major club don't particularly care about the German national team. It's not our team, basically. Club XY is our team.
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« Reply #569 on: November 23, 2011, 04:08:27 PM »

Most people who're a) leftish b) major fans of a major club don't particularly care about the German national team. It's not our team, basically. Club XY is our team.

gross. At a certain point, anti-nationalism is, well, not as bad as nationalism, but definitely pretty silly.
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« Reply #570 on: November 23, 2011, 04:13:39 PM »

The attitude is not anti-nationalist (though that exists as well in regard to the German team... understandable if you grew up with their 80s and 90s incarnation) but rather anationalist. A lot of the people who share it still vaguely support them. They're just not nearly as important as any random league game.
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« Reply #571 on: November 23, 2011, 08:48:41 PM »

Agreeing with Lief. I don't think it's the first time, but it might be the 2nd.

I'll probably root for Germany once Sweden is out of the tournament.
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« Reply #572 on: November 24, 2011, 11:38:56 PM »

Anyone who cares more about their national team than their club is not a real football fan. End of discussion.
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« Reply #573 on: November 25, 2011, 08:45:46 AM »

Anyone who cares more about their national team than their club is not a real football fan. End of discussion.

This seems to assume that one has a club. Where I grew up everyone cheered for the Stockholm posh people team. A minority cheered for another team and got beaten up occasionally. I got beaten up by both for not really caring.

I guess I never really got into it. I don't really feel a connection to either the players or the fans of the local teams here.
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« Reply #574 on: November 25, 2011, 10:00:27 AM »

Anyone who cares more about their national team than their club is not a real football fan. End of discussion.

This seems to assume that one has a club. Where I grew up everyone cheered for the Stockholm posh people team. A minority cheered for another team and got beaten up occasionally. I got beaten up by both for not really caring.

I guess I never really got into it. I don't really feel a connection to either the players or the fans of the local teams here.

Then you should have picked some suitably proletarian team from somewhere else (ideally somewhere with some sort of connection with you) and cheered for them instead. Obviously.
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