Opinion of Adolf Hitler

[The Mikado]

Luckily, this thread will likely be gone soon, so Ben Constine's well-put and desperately-needed post will hopefully not be infracted for profanity.

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

Okay, to clarify all I'm saying is that it is time we to start to recognize the positive things Hitler did, instead of always focusing on the negative.

Are you a fucking moron?  The positive things he did?  You must be one of the stupidest human beings to ever live, unless you actually think that murdering ten million Jews, Gypsies, gays, retards, and other disabled peoples is a good thing. 

Don't you dare to forget Poles, Russians, French and others

[SvenssonRS]

Joke thread or troll thread?

CJK's just one of the most pathetically worthless people on the forum - probably by least favorite right-winger here by far. It's hard to rival BRTD in terms of being an inbred, but by god, he manages.

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

Joke thread or troll thread?

CJK's just one of the most pathetically worthless people on the forum - probably by least favorite right-winger here by far. It's hard to rival BRTD in terms of being an inbred, but by god, he manages.

I have to defend BRTD now. Even he shouldn't be used as any comparision here.

[SvenssonRS]

Joke thread or troll thread?

CJK's just one of the most pathetically worthless people on the forum - probably by least favorite right-winger here by far. It's hard to rival BRTD in terms of being an inbred, but by god, he manages.

I have to defend BRTD now. Even he shouldn't be used as any comparision here.

No, no. CJK does manage to be worse, I agree.

[CJK]

Okay, to clarify all I'm saying is that it is time we to start to recognize the positive things Hitler did, instead of always focusing on the negative.

Are you a fucking moron?  The positive things he did?  You must be one of the stupidest human beings to ever live, unless you actually think that murdering ten million Jews, Gypsies, gays, retards, and other disabled peoples is a good thing.  If you're the former, then it is slightly less inexcusable.  If you're the latter, then go fuck yourself.

I didn't say that was on the positive side.

Look, it is widely recognized that Stalin was a mass murder, but we also recognize that he helped industrialize the USSR.

Why can't we have a nuanced view of Hitler? Why can't we recognize that he was a popular German nationalist whose goals were to defeat Communism and establish an acceptable living space for his people? Why do we constantly whitewash what the allies did and present Hitler as the only guy during World War II who was provoking conflict and murdering people?

[oakvale]

what is this I don't even

[President Mitt]

You guys are just giving him (JSojourner?) what he wants.

[hawkeye59]

Okay, to clarify all I'm saying is that it is time we to start to recognize the positive things Hitler did, instead of always focusing on the negative.

Are you a fucking moron?  The positive things he did?  You must be one of the stupidest human beings to ever live, unless you actually think that murdering ten million Jews, Gypsies, gays, retards, and other disabled peoples is a good thing.  If you're the former, then it is slightly less inexcusable.  If you're the latter, then go fuck yourself.

QFT

[Senator Ben]

Don't you dare to forget Poles, Russians, French and others

Indeed, my deepest apologies.

[Bo]

CJK, if Hitler was a good leader (and a good person for that matter) he would have spent German resources used to kill people for the war effort instead.

[Fmr. Emperor PiT]

CJK, if Hitler was a good leader (and a good person for that matter) he would have spent German resources used to kill people for the war effort instead.

     Seeing as how good people do not wage bloody wars of aggression, the part in parentheses seems inaccurate. Hitler would have been a very bad person even without the Holocaust.

[Bo]

CJK, if Hitler was a good leader (and a good person for that matter) he would have spent German resources used to kill people for the war effort instead.

     Seeing as how good people do not wage bloody wars of aggression, the part in parentheses seems inaccurate. Hitler would have been a very bad person even without the Holocaust.

Agreed. But for the most part I was responding to CJK's claim about Hitler being a good leader for Germany.

[Platypus]

To be fair, if Hitler wasn't so inept the Allies wouldn't have won world war two, occupied Germany, and turned it into the economic powerhouse of Europe.

Without Hitler, Germany would probably be worse off.

[State Comptroller Atkins]

No offense, but there seems to be a lot of people on here who suffer from Asperger's.

[Dr. Cynic]

Okay, I know a lot people have unfavorable views of Hitler, there is no need to overreact.

Of course there is. Hitler is neck and neck with Stalin as the most criminal dictator in the history of the world.


But can't we acknowledge that there were many things Hitler got right?

Like what? Oh, I see what you've got down here...


Hitler got the German economy going again at remarkable speed after the Great Depression.

By re-arming Germany. There were policies that were also due the old Social Democratic Party that contributed to the recovery later on, but Hitler took credit for it all.


Hitler took actions against subversives, marxists, and others.

By outlawing any kind of anti-Nazi rhetoric, that makes him just as bad, if not worse.


Hitler united the German people into one country for the first time in modern history.

What would you consider the first German Empire under Wilhelm I, Frederick III and Wilhelm II?


Hitler understood the threat of the Soviet Union, and had the guts to try to take it down.

This doesn't really score him any points. Hitler wanted Stalin gone. Two dictatorial criminals fighting over who was worse?


Hitler sought out living space for his people in order to increase Germany's prosperity and preserve fertility--the only biological reason we exist.

Hitler took that a bit too far don't you think by simply trying to steal lands that were soverign nations on their own...


Hitler understood that political correctness with regards to race and gender was crap.

So, in order to fight political correctness, he decided the best way to do that was to either murder or imprison not only Jews, but any racial, ethnic, or political minority... Makes sense...

Hitler was a mlitary genius who pushed his generals to win the incredible victory over France in 1940, which nobody thought was possible.

Actually, Hitler was a military fool. He had amazing Generals like Rommel who constantly clashed with Hitler.


Technological advancement was huge under Hitler.

Many of the best minds came to either the U.S. or Britain to lend their considerable talents thanks to Hitler.


Hitler took action against the decadence that has infected the West.

Like murder... Oh wait...


Hitler restored national pride to his country, and received massive popular support.

Opposition parties were outlawed, you schmuck. Hitler was offered power just as his voting strength was declining. He stole power and consolidated it. He was nothing more than an oppertunist and a homicidal egomaniac... Oh, and his paintings sucked balls.

[Earth]

Of course there is. Hitler is neck and neck with Stalin as the most criminal dictator in the history of the world.

Hardly. Stalin makes Hitler look like a grade school bitch.

This is a funny thread; the indignation, and the posturing is amusing.

[Platypus]

Of course there is. Hitler is neck and neck with Stalin as the most criminal dictator in the history of the world.

Hardly. Stalin makes Hitler look like a grade school bitch.

This is a funny thread; the indignation, and the posturing is amusing.

Hitler plays in the Bronze medal match against Mao. Pol Pot won gold against Stalin.

[© Tweed the Younger]

fiction

[A cowboy always follows his beard]

A great Libertairian Leader who dared to oppose the fascist regimes of FDR and Stalin!!!

/joke.

[Mint]

[Senator Libertas]

Hitler was basically a typical politician. Just a very efficient and effective one. If he had won the war, the history books would record him as a hero.

Remember, the greater the death toll, the more highly regarded an historical leader's legacy will be among mainstream academics. All that matters is that they win their wars. Just look at their rankings of U.S. presidents for confirmation of that.

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

Hitler was basically a typical politician. Just a very efficient and effective one. If he had won the war, the history books would record him as a hero.

Remember, the greater the death toll, the more highly regarded an historical leader's legacy will be among mainstream academics. All that matters is that they win their wars. Just look at their rankings of U.S. presidents for confirmation of that.

I doubt any U.S. President is comparable to the author of an holocaust.

[A cowboy always follows his beard]

No president could ever be called a "dictator" or "tyrant".

Lincoln and FDR were the closest, but they weren't either of those words.

[King]

Even if he did do all those good things domestically (which he didn't), the end result of all of his programs was this:



Flattened country torn apart for decades that only billions of dollars of US stimulus money could save (this was back when voters read books instead of watching cable news so people didn't protest stimuli).