Most Influential Figures in History Survivor - Organisation and Results

[Hans-im-Glück]

Here is my new idea for a Survivor. A Survivor about the most important persons in the History would be a good idea.

The following list of influential figures from world history comes from Michael H. Hart's book The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History.
         
Adam Smith
Adolf Hitler
Albert Einstein
Alexander Fleming
Alexander Graham Bell
Alexander the Great
Antoine Laurent Lavoisier
Antony van Leeuwenhoek
Aristotle
Asoka
Augustus Caesar
Buddha
Charlemagne
Charles Darwin
Christopher Columbus
Confucius
Constantine the Great
Cyrus the Great
Edward Jenner
Enrico Fermi
Ernest Rutherford
Euclid
Francis Bacon
Francisco Pizarro
Galileo Galilei
Genghis Khan
George Washington
Gregor Mendel
Gregory Pincus
Guglielmo Marconi
Henry Ford
Hernando Cortes
Homer
Isaac Newton
James Clerk Maxwell
James Watt
Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Jesus Christ
Johann Gutenberg
Johann Sebastian Bach
Johannes Kepler
John Calvin
John Dalton
John F. Kennedy
John Locke
Joseph Lister
Joseph Stalin
Julius Caesar
Justinian I
Karl Marx
Lao Tzu
Lenin
Leonhard Euler
Louis Daguerre
Louis Pasteur
Ludwig van Beethoven
Mahavira
Mani
Mao Zedong
Martin Luther
Max Planck
Mencius
Menes
Michael Faraday
Michelangelo
Mikhail Gorbachev
Moses
Muhammad
Napoleon Bonaparte
Nicolaus Copernicus
Nicoli Machiavelli
Nikolaus August Otto
Oliver Cromwell
Orville and Wilbur Wright
Peter the Great
Plato
Pope Urban II
Queen Elizabeth I
Queen Isabella I
Rene Descartes
Shih Huang Ti
Sigmund Freud
Simon Bolivar
St. Augustine
St. Paul
Sui Wen Ti
Thomas Edison
Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Malthus
Ts'ai Lun
'Umar ibn al-Khattab
Vasco da Gama
Voltaire
Werner Heisenberg
Wilhelm Conrad Roentgen
William Harvey
William Shakespeare
William T.G. Morton
William the Conqueror
Zoroaster

I know there  are to many from the west and to less from outside Europe and America, but I think it would be a very good list for a new Mega-Survivor

When you are think that the one or the other important person in history isn't on the list, but we can't begin without him/her. This is no problem. When more than one want it we can put him on the list. It makes no difference we have 100 or 120 names.

I will divide the list into 4-5 groups and then we can start. But first I'm want to hear your opinion about this and one or the other suggestion.

[big bad fab]

Thjat's a very good idea.

I think Leonardo da Vinci , Emperor Meiji (Mutsuhito) and Suleiman the Magnificent should really be in.

I'm less sure about Giotto, Darius I, Churchill, Charles V, Gandhi, Raphael , Ho Chi Minh and Ramses II. Probably more Giotto, Darius I and Charles V and less the others who were important only in comparison or in opposition to others.

About Sarah Palin too.
Oops.

Nebuchadnezzar II, Mozart, Rembrandt, von Braun probably don't deserve to be in, as they aren't so much "turning-point" figure.

[Magic 8-Ball]

Wonderful idea.

I'd like to submit Ibn Khaldun for consideration.

What say you all about Akbar, Shi Huang Di, Gaozu of Han, and Kangxi?  I don't really want to make the list more ruler-heavy than it already is, but I think we can agree they're more important to history than was JFK.

[big bad fab]

Wonderful idea.

I'd like to submit Ibn Khaldun for consideration. I AGREE

What say you all about Akbar WHY NOT, Shi Huang Di already here, Gaozu of Han WHY NOT, and Kangxi PROBABLY ?  I don't really want to make the list more ruler-heavy than it already is, but I think we can agree they're more important to history than was JFK Yeah, he will have to go very early (and Francis Bacon too).

And do you agree on mines, Magic ?

[Magic 8-Ball]

Thjat's a very good idea.

I think Leonardo da Vinci , Emperor Meiji (Mutsuhito) and Suleiman the Magnificent should really be in.

Agreed.

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The only one I'd definitely leave out would be Ho Chi Minh.  I like the idea of including Raphael, Mozart, and Rembrandt, but they are also three I'd probably vote out in the initial rounds. 

I could go either way on Nebuchadnezzar, Churchill, and von Braun.

Giotto, Darius, and Ramses (good pick, btw, I wouldn't have thought of going quite that far back) are three I definitely want. Charles V did much during his time, so why not?  I'd also include Gandhi, as he is pretty much the gold standard for civil disobedience.

Speaking of Palins, let's include Michael.

[Hans-im-Glück]

Thjat's a very good idea.

I think Leonardo da Vinci , Emperor Meiji (Mutsuhito) and Suleiman the Magnificent should really be in.

I'm less sure about Giotto, Darius I, Churchill, Charles V, Gandhi, Raphael , Ho Chi Minh and Ramses II. Probably more Giotto, Darius I and Charles V and less the others who were important only in comparison or in opposition to others.

About Sarah Palin too.
Oops.

Nebuchadnezzar II, Mozart, Rembrandt, von Braun probably don't deserve to be in, as they aren't so much "turning-point" figure.

Wonderful idea.

I'd like to submit Ibn Khaldun for consideration.

What say you all about Akbar, Shi Huang Di, Gaozu of Han, and Kangxi?  I don't really want to make the list more ruler-heavy than it already is, but I think we can agree they're more important to history than was JFK.

I like the idea to include Mozart, Rembrandt, von Braun, Giotto, Raphael and Leonardo da Vinci . We have many politicians and kings on the list. Maybe to much

Without Emperor Meiji (Mutsuhito) and Suleiman the Magnificent the history changes complete and so its good to take them on the list.

Churchill and Ho Chi Minh are without any doubt important figures in the history, but I'm not happy with them. We have enough from this time period on the list and the history is not only the 20th century.

Nebuchadnezzar, Darius I and Ramses II I would like to see on the list. Okay they are from the deep past, but we can need them. I have another name from this early period: Hammurabi.

To Magic suggests:
Ibn Khaldun 
Akbar
Gaozu of Han
Kangxi

All are worth to stand on the list.


P. S.
Charles V ? Which king do you mean. It exits many Charles V, nearly in every country one;)

Without Ghandi we can't start this survivor.

[big bad fab]

Charles Quint ! The Habsburg one !

Good idea with Hammurabi.

[Magic 8-Ball]

What about Charles Martel?

[Hans-im-Glück]

Charles Quint ! The Habsburg one !

Good idea with Hammurabi.

Hmm. I don't think that Charles V was so important. He was certainly a powerful man, but I don't have the feeling that he has influenced the history so much. If at all, then only by his incompetence

What about Charles Martel?

I was thinking about Charles Martel too and I'm not sure we need him in this game. Without him Europe would looking different, but rulers like him give it many in the history.

Mozart, Rembrandt, von Braun, Giotto, Raphael, Leonardo da Vinci, Emperor Meiji (Mutsuhito), Suleiman the Magnificent, Nebuchadnezzar, Darius I, Ramses II, Hammurabi, Ibn Khaldun, Akbar, Gaozu of Han and Kangxi I put on the list. This are 16 more. I don't want that the Survivor will be bigger than 120 names. So when it give ideas for 4 more than make a proposal. Tomorrow I will build the 5 Groups and monday we can start with the Survivor.

[Edu]

If Simon Bolivar is here i DEMAND that José de San Martin be included too

If you don't have space then kick out JFK

[RIP Robert H Bork]

Winston Churchill ought to be on this list.

[Psychic Octopus]

JFK ought to be taken out and replaced with Abraham Lincoln. Put in Hammurabi, Pericles, and Qin Shi Huang.

[Hans-im-Glück]

If Simon Bolivar is here i DEMAND that José de San Martin be included too

If you don't have space then kick out JFK

Winston Churchill ought to be on this list.

JFK ought to be taken out and replaced with Abraham Lincoln. Put in Hammurabi, Pericles, and Qin Shi Huang.

José de San Martin is a interesting idea

Churchill - Well we have from WWII Hitler and Stalin. One winner and one looser of the war. But when I think more about it maybe it is not false to put Churchill on the List. He was the opponent from beginning to end of the war from Hitler and I don't know what the UK would do without him.

JFK on the list is really a joke . But Gorbachev was only a manager of a state who was at the end when he start his term. He must be kick out too BTW I think Khomeini had more influence in the History than JFK and Gorbachev together.

Abraham Lincoln and Pericles are very important. How can I forget them   Qin Shi Huang is on the list.

My opinion is in this moment:

JFK
Gorbachev  Be removed from the list
Abraham Lincoln
Pericles
Churchill I will put them on the List
For San Martin is in the moment enough place


What do you think about Khomeini? With him start a new time in Islamic countries.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Polish-free list.

[Hans-im-Glück]

Polish-free list.

Which pole has influenced the history the most?

Marie Curie, John Paul II, Lech Wałęsa?

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Polish-free list.

Which pole has influenced the history the most?

Marie Curie, John Paul II, Lech Wałęsa?

Maria for sure. Wałęsa too. I'd add Piłsudski at least for solely reason of stopping Soviet pursit to the West in 1920.

[big bad fab]

No for Marie Curie: she was more an enforcer, not a real discoverer, like Planck or Einstein.
No for Pilsudski: the Soviet Union would have stopped anyway...
Why not for Walesa or John Paul II. I know I'd be the only supporter of the Pope, so let's go with Walesa, but I'm not sure...
As for Khomeini, I'm not so sure.

I really disagree that Gorbachev should be out: he made sure that violence didn't engulf all the East... that was quite a thing ! Andropov, Chernenko, Ligachev, Grishin, Romanov,Chebrikov, Gromyko: no one else would have acted as he did.

Maybe you can add Averroes too.
And Deng Xiaoping !

And Francis Bacon should really be out . Of course, that's just a personal assessment of his real influence...

I'm not convinced about Pericles, as you weren't by Charles V.

I've also thought about Frederick Taylor .

[Hans-im-Glück]

I think about it and come to this result. With this List we start the Survivor:
         
Adam Smith
Adolf Hitler
Albert Einstein
Alexander Fleming
Alexander Graham Bell
Alexander the Great
Antoine Laurent Lavoisier
Antony van Leeuwenhoek
Aristotle
Asoka
Augustus Caesar
Buddha
Charlemagne
Charles Darwin
Christopher Columbus
Confucius
Constantine the Great
Cyrus the Great
Edward Jenner
Enrico Fermi
Ernest Rutherford
Euclid
Francis Bacon
Francisco Pizarro
Galileo Galilei
Genghis Khan
George Washington
Gregor Mendel
Gregory Pincus
Guglielmo Marconi
Henry Ford
Hernando Cortes
Homer
Isaac Newton
James Clerk Maxwell
James Watt
Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Jesus Christ
Johann Gutenberg
Johann Sebastian Bach
Johannes Kepler
John Calvin
John Dalton
John F. Kennedy
John Locke
Joseph Lister
Joseph Stalin
Julius Caesar
Justinian I
Karl Marx
Lao Tzu
Lenin
Leonhard Euler
Louis Daguerre
Louis Pasteur
Ludwig van Beethoven
Mahavira
Mani
Mao Zedong
Martin Luther
Max Planck
Mencius
Menes
Michael Faraday
Michelangelo
Mikhail Gorbachev
Moses
Muhammad
Napoleon Bonaparte
Nicolaus Copernicus
Nicoli Machiavelli
Nikolaus August Otto
Oliver Cromwell
Orville and Wilbur Wright
Peter the Great
Plato
Pope Urban II
Queen Elizabeth I
Queen Isabella I
Rene Descartes
Shih Huang Ti
Sigmund Freud
Simon Bolivar
St. Augustine
St. Paul
Sui Wen Ti
Thomas Edison
Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Malthus
Ts'ai Lun
'Umar ibn al-Khattab
Vasco da Gama
Voltaire
Werner Heisenberg
Wilhelm Conrad Roentgen
William Harvey
William Shakespeare
William T.G. Morton
William the Conqueror
Zoroaster

Wolfgang A. Mozart
Rembrandt van Rijn
Giotto
Raphael
Leonardo da Vinci
Emperor Meiji (Mutsuhito)
Suleiman the Magnificent
Nebuchadnezzar
Darius I
Ramses II
Hammurabi
Ibn Khaldun
Akbar
Gaozu of Han
Kangxi
Abraham Lincoln
Pericles
Winston Churchill
Lech Wałęsa
Mohandas Gandhi
Averroes (Ibn Rushd)
Deng Xiaoping

fab, you see Gorbachev is still on the list and Francis Bacon is out Your idea of Deng and Averroes is very good I put Wałęsa on, because Solidarnosz was the beginning of the end for the Eastern Block. Not on the list stands now von Braun. I think Deng or Averroes had much more influence in the history.

Now I make 5 groups and then we can start the Survivor.

[Edu]

No José de San Martin?

C'mon, we need a bit more people from the Americas (not counting the USA) and this guy liberated half of South America.

[Hans-im-Glück]

No José de San Martin?

C'mon, we need a bit more people from the Americas (not counting the USA) and this guy liberated half of South America.

Okay.

I replace Pericles with San Martin. But only for you

[Edu]

Okay.

I replace Pericles with San Martin. But only for you

Thanks Hans

I don't think he will last very long, but at least there is a bit more diversity in the survivor and i can have an argie in it.

[big bad fab]

Thank you very much, Hans

[Hans-im-Glück]

Most Influential Figures in History Survivor

Result Round 1

In the first round the usual suspect were eliminated. Only in Group C is with Edison a little surprise.


Group A

Mao Zedong 7, Malthus1




Group B

Hitler 7, Morton 2




GROUP C

Edison 3, Plato 2, Genghis Khan 1, Mencius 1, Mani 1




GROUP D

Lenin 4, Pizarro 3, Isabella 1




GROUP E

Stalin 4, Columbus 2, Graham Bell 1, Ramses 1




RANKING:

116  Mao Zedong
116  Adolf Hitler
116  T .A. Edison
116  Lenin
116  Joseph Stalin

[Hans-im-Glück]

Most Influential Figures in History Survivor

Result Round 2

No good round for Spain. OK, Columbus was Italian(but he worked for Spain) and Pizsrro are eliminated. Pizarro after a close race with Freud and Pincus.


Group A

Malthus 16, Mahavira 11, van Leeuwenhoek 3, Bach 2, Rutherford 2, Cortés 2




Group B

Morton 14, Menes 11, Homer 3, Constantin 2, Daguerre 2, Gorbachev 2, San Martin 2




GROUP C

Mencius 14, Mani 13, Plato 7, Akbar 2




GROUP D

Pizarro 11, Freud 10, Pincus 9, Walesa 2, Voltaire 2, Isabella I 1, Darius I 1




GROUP E

Columbus 15, Graham Bell 9, Mendel 6, Ramses II 4, Giotto 2




RANKING:

111  Thomas Malthus
111  William T. G. Morton
111  Mencius
111  Francisco Pizarro
111  Chistopher Columbus
116  Mao Zedong
116  Adolf Hitler
116  T .A. Edison
116  Lenin
116  Joseph Stalin

[Hans-im-Glück]

Most Influential Figures in History Survivor

Result Round 3

A bad round for the historical figures from the deep past. In group E it was a 3-way tie and Grahem Bell is Eliminated only with the votes from the previous rounds.


Group A

Mahavira 6




Group B

Menes 4, Homer 2




GROUP C

Mani 5, Plato 1




GROUP D

Freud 3 (3,33 votes in the previous rounds), Pincus 3 (3 votes in the previous rounds)




GROUP E

Graham Bell 2 (4 votes in the previous rounds), Ramses II 2 (2,33 votes in the previous rounds), Mendel 2 (2 votes in the previous rounds)




RANKING:

106  Mahavira
106  Menes
106  Mani
106  Sigmund Freud
106  Alexander Graham Bell
111  Thomas Malthus
111  William T. G. Morton
111  Mencius
111  Francisco Pizarro
111  Chistopher Columbus
116  Mao Zedong
116  Adolf Hitler
116  T .A. Edison
116  Lenin
116  Joseph Stalin