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« Reply #150 on: November 04, 2010, 02:16:56 PM »

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« Reply #151 on: November 04, 2010, 02:20:48 PM »

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« Reply #152 on: November 04, 2010, 03:26:24 PM »

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« Reply #153 on: November 04, 2010, 03:53:38 PM »

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« Reply #154 on: November 04, 2010, 03:58:35 PM »

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« Reply #155 on: November 04, 2010, 05:32:49 PM »

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Amusing, though. All of the three left were dreadful party leaders.
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« Reply #156 on: November 04, 2010, 11:11:19 PM »

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« Reply #157 on: November 05, 2010, 05:36:43 PM »


Wasn't he supposed to win this ? Wink

Liberal Party:
Herbert Henry Asquith (1916-1926)
Donald MacLean (1919-1920)
David Lloyd George (1926-1931)
Herbert Samuel (1931-1935)
Archibald Sinclair (1935-1945)
Clement Davies (1945-1956)
Jo Grimond (1956-1967, 1976)
Jeremy Thorpe (1967-1976)
David Steel (1976-1988)
Michael Meadowcroft (1989-2002)
Mike Oborski (2002-2005)
Steve Radford (2005-2009)
Rob Wheway (2009-…)

Social Democratic Party:
Roy Jenkins (1981-1983)
David Owen (1983-1987, 1988-1990)
Robert MacLennan (1987-1988)
Jack Holmes (1990-1991)
John Bates (1991-…)

Liberal Democrats:
David Steel (1987-1988)
Robert MacLennan (1987-1988)
Paddy Ashdown (1988-1999)
Charles Kennedy (1999-2006)
Menzies Campbell (2006-2007)
Vince Cable (2007)
Nick Clegg (2007-…)

Results:
Round 1: Wheway 15, Bates 8, Radford 6, Clegg 4, Asquith 3, Cable 2, Campbell 1, Kennedy 1, Lloyd George 1, Meadowcroft 1
Round 2: Bates 6, Kennedy 4, Asquith 3, Clegg 2 (4-2), Radford 1 (4-3), Holmes 1, Cable 0 (1-1), Campbell 0 (1-1), Lloyd George -1
Round 3: Asquith 2.5, Radford 2, Clegg 1, Holmes 1, Kennedy 1, Cable 0.5
Round 4: Radford 20, Clegg 15, Cable 14, Kennedy 12, Holmes 5, Campbell 1, MacLennan 1, Meadowcroft 1, Oborski 1
Round 5: Clegg 3 (7-4, 22 previous points), Cable 3 (4-1, 16.5 previous points), MacLennan 3 (1 previous point), Holmes 2, Ashdown 1 (2-1), Oborski -1 (2-3), Owen -1, Kennedy -11
Round 6: Cable 3, MacLennan 2, Kennedy 1
Round 7: MacLennan 5, Holmes 4, Meadowcroft 3, Ashdown 2, Kennedy 2, Oborski 2, Davies 1, Jenkins 1
Round 8: Holmes 4, Oborski 3, Owen 2, Davies 1, Lloyd George 1, Meadowcroft 1 (2-1), Ashdown 0 (1-1), Campbell 0 (2-2), Steel -1, Jenkins -2 (1-3), Kennedy -3 (1-4)
Round 9: Oborski 4
Round 10: Meadowcroft 11, Owen 10, Campbell 8, Davies 7, MacLean 2, Grimond 1, Steel 1
Round 11: Owen 4, Samuel 0 (2-2), Kennedy -1 (1-2), Steel -1 (1-2), Lloyd George -2
Round 12: Samuel 2, Campbell 1.5, Grimond 1.5, Davies 1, Ashdown 0.5, Kennedy 0.5
Round 13: Grimond 22, Davies 21, MacLean 17, Steel 14, Campbell 13, Thorpe 9, Kennedy 2
Round 14: Davies 3 (31 previous points), MacLean 3 (19 previous points), Sinclair 1, Thorpe 1, Ashdown 0 (1-1), Campbell 0 (1-1), Kennedy -1 (1-2), Steel -1 (1-2)
Round 15: MacLean 3, Steel 2, Kennedy 1
Round 16: Campbell 5 (25.5 previous points), Steel 5 (6-1 and 14 previous points), Sinclair 1 (2-1), Thorpe 1, Kennedy 0 (3-3), Ashdown 0 (1-1)
Round 17: Ashdown 8, Steel 7, Jenkins 6, Thorpe 5, Kennedy 4
Round 18: Thorpe 3, Steel 2, Kennedy 1, Lloyd George 0.5, Sinclair 0.5
Round 19: Steel 8, Kennedy 6, Lloyd George 5, Sinclair 5, Jenkins 4
Round 20: Kennedy 2 (19.5 previous points), Sinclair 2 (7.5 previous points), Lloyd George 1
Round 21: Lloyd George 5, Jenkins 2

ROUND 22 is now open !

In this round, you vote to eliminate 1 leader.
Vote away !
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« Reply #158 on: November 05, 2010, 07:19:35 PM »

Eliminate Sinclair.

Jenkins for Survivor!
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« Reply #159 on: November 06, 2010, 10:11:13 AM »

Eliminate Jenkins
Sinclair for survivor
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« Reply #160 on: November 06, 2010, 12:57:11 PM »

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« Reply #161 on: November 06, 2010, 04:51:58 PM »

What was so bad about George and so good about Sinclair and Jenkins?
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« Reply #162 on: November 07, 2010, 10:39:41 AM »

Eliminate Sinclair.

Jenkins for Survivor!
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« Reply #163 on: November 08, 2010, 10:37:04 AM »

We can't be just 4 voters for the finale...
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« Reply #164 on: November 08, 2010, 02:53:06 PM »

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« Reply #165 on: November 08, 2010, 04:21:23 PM »


Before
and after:


Liberal Party:
Herbert Henry Asquith (1916-1926)
Donald MacLean (1919-1920)
David Lloyd George (1926-1931)
Herbert Samuel (1931-1935)

Archibald Sinclair (1935-1945) WINNER !

Clement Davies (1945-1956)
Jo Grimond (1956-1967, 1976)
Jeremy Thorpe (1967-1976)
David Steel (1976-1988)
Michael Meadowcroft (1989-2002)
Mike Oborski (2002-2005)
Steve Radford (2005-2009)
Rob Wheway (2009-…)

Social Democratic Party:
Roy Jenkins (1981-1983)
David Owen (1983-1987, 1988-1990)
Robert MacLennan (1987-1988)
Jack Holmes (1990-1991)
John Bates (1991-…)

Liberal Democrats:
David Steel (1987-1988)
Robert MacLennan (1987-1988)
Paddy Ashdown (1988-1999)
Charles Kennedy (1999-2006)
Menzies Campbell (2006-2007)
Vince Cable (2007)
Nick Clegg (2007-…)

Results:
Round 1: Wheway 15, Bates 8, Radford 6, Clegg 4, Asquith 3, Cable 2, Campbell 1, Kennedy 1, Lloyd George 1, Meadowcroft 1
Round 2: Bates 6, Kennedy 4, Asquith 3, Clegg 2 (4-2), Radford 1 (4-3), Holmes 1, Cable 0 (1-1), Campbell 0 (1-1), Lloyd George -1
Round 3: Asquith 2.5, Radford 2, Clegg 1, Holmes 1, Kennedy 1, Cable 0.5
Round 4: Radford 20, Clegg 15, Cable 14, Kennedy 12, Holmes 5, Campbell 1, MacLennan 1, Meadowcroft 1, Oborski 1
Round 5: Clegg 3 (7-4, 22 previous points), Cable 3 (4-1, 16.5 previous points), MacLennan 3 (1 previous point), Holmes 2, Ashdown 1 (2-1), Oborski -1 (2-3), Owen -1, Kennedy -11
Round 6: Cable 3, MacLennan 2, Kennedy 1
Round 7: MacLennan 5, Holmes 4, Meadowcroft 3, Ashdown 2, Kennedy 2, Oborski 2, Davies 1, Jenkins 1
Round 8: Holmes 4, Oborski 3, Owen 2, Davies 1, Lloyd George 1, Meadowcroft 1 (2-1), Ashdown 0 (1-1), Campbell 0 (2-2), Steel -1, Jenkins -2 (1-3), Kennedy -3 (1-4)
Round 9: Oborski 4
Round 10: Meadowcroft 11, Owen 10, Campbell 8, Davies 7, MacLean 2, Grimond 1, Steel 1
Round 11: Owen 4, Samuel 0 (2-2), Kennedy -1 (1-2), Steel -1 (1-2), Lloyd George -2
Round 12: Samuel 2, Campbell 1.5, Grimond 1.5, Davies 1, Ashdown 0.5, Kennedy 0.5
Round 13: Grimond 22, Davies 21, MacLean 17, Steel 14, Campbell 13, Thorpe 9, Kennedy 2
Round 14: Davies 3 (31 previous points), MacLean 3 (19 previous points), Sinclair 1, Thorpe 1, Ashdown 0 (1-1), Campbell 0 (1-1), Kennedy -1 (1-2), Steel -1 (1-2)
Round 15: MacLean 3, Steel 2, Kennedy 1
Round 16: Campbell 5 (25.5 previous points), Steel 5 (6-1 and 14 previous points), Sinclair 1 (2-1), Thorpe 1, Kennedy 0 (3-3), Ashdown 0 (1-1)
Round 17: Ashdown 8, Steel 7, Jenkins 6, Thorpe 5, Kennedy 4
Round 18: Thorpe 3, Steel 2, Kennedy 1, Lloyd George 0.5, Sinclair 0.5
Round 19: Steel 8, Kennedy 6, Lloyd George 5, Sinclair 5, Jenkins 4
Round 20: Kennedy 2 (19.5 previous points), Sinclair 2 (7.5 previous points), Lloyd George 1
Round 21: Lloyd George 5, Jenkins 2
Round 22: Jenkins 3, Sinclair 2

Archibald Sinclair, one of our coolest and most elegant survivors !

An original and fine choice ! Very surprising !

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« Reply #166 on: November 14, 2010, 07:31:19 PM »

Forgive me since I know barely anything about British politics, but why are Sinclair and Jenkins better than George?
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« Reply #167 on: November 14, 2010, 08:25:55 PM »

Well, i wanted Kennedy to win, so this was more about "the lesser evil" for me Grin

When i have to look up people i don't know much about, unless i want to spend a lot of time on research i usually go to Wikipedia and it said this: "He was the last Liberal to be Prime Minister, as his coalition premiership was supported more by Conservatives than by his own Liberals, and the subsequent split was a key factor in the decline of the Liberal Party as a serious political force. When he eventually became leader of the Liberal Party a decade later he was unable to lead it back to power".

I'm taking it with a grain of salt since Wikipedia has been obviously wrong before, but in this same thread Al seemed to confirm that he wasn't a very good leader.
Doesn't sound that good. And i liked the other 2 candidates for survivor better.
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