Florida appeals court strikes down gay adoption ban

[John Dibble]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/22/florida.gay.adoptions/

Florida appeals court strikes down gay adoption ban

By the CNN Wire Staff
September 22, 2010 4:55 p.m. EDT

(CNN) -- A Florida appeals court Wednesday struck down a state law barring gay men and lesbians from adoption on the basis of equal protection under law.

Shortly after the ruling, Gov. Charlie Crist -- who is running for a U.S. Senate seat as an independent -- announced that he would not enforce the ban in light of the ruling.

The Florida 3rd District Court of Appeal upheld a trial court ruling that Florida's explicit ban was unconstitutional, noting that the state's adoption law required officials to assess potential adoptive parents in "the best interests of the child."

"By the time of the trial below, the application of the statutory ban was contrary to both the professional judgment of the Department and the legislative directive to assure 'the best interest of the child' in 'every' adoption," wrote Judge Cindy S. Lederman in the 42-page ruling.

The case involved a gay man who was a licensed foster parent, allowed under Florida law, who wanted to adopt two boys who had been placed in his care after the Department of Children and Families removed them from their home for neglect.

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[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

that should go over well

[Capitan Zapp Brannigan]

Good.

[Lief 🗽]

that should go over well

For people who enjoy equality, yes. Probably not with the homophobes and bigots.

[Torie]

I don't like these sort of judicial decisions, but the policy is just so inane, that maybe there is a way to dress up a decision like this, to give it some scintilla of legal merit. The test has to be whether the law has some rational basis. This one arguably does not.

But one law is unconstitutional because it conflicts with another law, both statutory?  Hopefully the news article has the legal reasoning wrong, because that makes zero sense.

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that should go over well

For people who enjoy equality, yes. Probably not with the homophobes and bigots.

Where does the Constitution guarantee the right to adoption?

[Marokai Backbeat]

that should go over well

For people who enjoy equality, yes. Probably not with the homophobes and bigots.

Give a concrete and objective reason as to why adoption should be given to one segment of the population and not to another.

Where does the Constitution guarantee the right to adoption?

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that should go over well

For people who enjoy equality, yes. Probably not with the homophobes and bigots.

Give a concrete and objective reason as to why adoption should be given to one segment of the population and not to another.

Where does the Constitution guarantee the right to adoption?

Because a child should be raised by both a mother and father figure in their life. That means, male and female. It's basic human psychology. Why do you think you know better then 50k years of human nature?

[Marokai Backbeat]

that should go over well

For people who enjoy equality, yes. Probably not with the homophobes and bigots.

Give a concrete and objective reason as to why adoption should be given to one segment of the population and not to another.

Where does the Constitution guarantee the right to adoption?

Because a child should be raised by both a mother and father figure in their life. That means, male and female. It's basic human psychology.

There is no evidence that a child being raised with gay parents is at any disadvantage or is harmed in any way. None.

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that should go over well

For people who enjoy equality, yes. Probably not with the homophobes and bigots.

Give a concrete and objective reason as to why adoption should be given to one segment of the population and not to another.

Where does the Constitution guarantee the right to adoption?

Because a child should be raised by both a mother and father figure in their life. That means, male and female. It's basic human psychology.

There is no evidence that a child being raised with gay parents is at any disadvantage or is harmed in any way. None.

Not really worth wasting my time discussing this. You won't look outside of your scope anyway. Have a nice evening.

[Torie]

that should go over well

For people who enjoy equality, yes. Probably not with the homophobes and bigots.

Give a concrete and objective reason as to why adoption should be given to one segment of the population and not to another.

Where does the Constitution guarantee the right to adoption?

Because a child should be raised by both a mother and father figure in their life. That means, male and female. It's basic human psychology.

There is no evidence that a child being raised with gay parents is at any disadvantage or is harmed in any way. None.

Correct. And one thing we do know that does not require having to revert to some statistical studies (for those who have no real  understanding of gays), because it is intuitively obvious, is having two loving gay parents, is better than leaving a kid in a orphanage. And that is the choice in some instances.

[Frink]

Good. That utter nonsense is taken care of.

[John Dibble]

that should go over well

For people who enjoy equality, yes. Probably not with the homophobes and bigots.

Give a concrete and objective reason as to why adoption should be given to one segment of the population and not to another.

Where does the Constitution guarantee the right to adoption?

Because a child should be raised by both a mother and father figure in their life. That means, male and female. It's basic human psychology. Why do you think you know better then 50k years of human nature?

Even if we assume this premise is correct (which I do not) that doesn't validate not allowing gay adoption given the reality of things. There are more orphans and foster children than the system is able to find stable families with both a mother and a father for. Unless you can provide evidence that a stable, loving home with a gay couple of either sex would be worse for the child than being bounced from one foster home to the next then your reasoning isn't sufficient even if it is true.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

that should go over well

For people who enjoy equality, yes. Probably not with the homophobes and bigots.

Give a concrete and objective reason as to why adoption should be given to one segment of the population and not to another.

Where does the Constitution guarantee the right to adoption?

Because a child should be raised by both a mother and father figure in their life. That means, male and female. It's basic human psychology.

There is no evidence that a child being raised with gay parents is at any disadvantage or is harmed in any way. None.

Not really worth wasting my time discussing this. You won't look outside of your scope anyway. Have a nice evening.

And you won't look outside yours.  There have been numerous studies on families with same sex parents and there is NOTHING to show that the child is any different or any better or worse off.  The child ISN'T EVEN MORE LIKELY TO BE GAY WHEN THEY ARE OLDER.

Good for the Florida Courts. 

[Joe Republic]

Because a child should be raised by both a mother and father figure in their life. That means, male and female. It's basic human psychology. Why do you think you know better then 50k years of human nature?

Search for "effect of gay parents on children" in Google Scholar, and here's what you'll find just on Page 1:

• "To date, however, there is no evidence that the development of children with lesbian or gay parents is compromised in any significant respect relative to that among children of heterosexual parents in otherwise comparable circumstances."
  
  
• "In 1995 the American Psychological Association published an annotated bibliography reviewing 25 years of research on gay and lesbian parented families that overwhelmingly refuted concerns that parents’ sexual object choice alone presents a threat to children or an impediment to their development." ... "Results of these studies contribute to the growing understanding that the sexual orientation of the parent does not pose a threat to children’s emotional well-being."
  
  
• "The author's study found that adult-aged daughters of lesbian mothers did not significantly differ from adult daughters of heterosexual mothers on gender identity, gender role, sexual orientation, and social adjustment."
  
  
• "Research findings suggest that unless and until the weight of evidence can be shown to have shifted, parental sexual orientation should be considered irrelevant to disputes involving child custody, visitation, foster care, and adoption."
  
  
• "The results demonstrate no differences on any measures between the heterosexual and homosexual parents regarding parenting styles, emotional adjustment, and sexual orientation of the child(ren). In other words, the data fail to support the continuation of a bias against homosexual parents by any court."
  
  
• "The body of literature generally concludes that children with lesbian and gay parents are developing psychologically, intellectually, behaviorally, and emotionally in positive directions, and that the sexual orientation of parents is not an effective or important predictor of successful child development."

[Ebowed]

Search for "effect of gay parents on children" in Google Scholar

Romans 1:27 "In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

The due penalty for this perversion is outlined here:

Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

If you examine these divine scriptures closely, it will become inherently obvious as to why homosexuals would be unable to successfully raise children, or do much of anything else.

[Joe Republic]

He he, thanks Ebo.  I needed a laugh. 

[Franzl]

Not really worth wasting my time discussing this. You won't look outside of your scope anyway. Have a nice evening.

Translation: I have no argument in favor of my hateful position.

[Lunar]

And, of course, there's the whole thing where single people are allowed to adopt. 

[Ogre Mage]