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Question: Who was the most conservative?
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Jesse "Senator No" Helms
 
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Barry "Mr. Conservative"  Goldwater
 
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Robert "Mr. Republican" Taft, Sr.
 
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« on: October 02, 2010, 04:28:34 PM »

Testing what people consider to be "true conservatism" here.

I say Taft.
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2010, 04:30:03 PM »

Robert Taft was a true conservative, Barry Goldwater was a neoconservative, Jesse Helms was a flip-flopping neocon.
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2010, 04:33:35 PM »

Robert Taft was a true conservative, Barry Goldwater was a neoconservative, Jesse Helms was a flip-flopping neocon.

How are neoconsirvatives and neocons different?
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2010, 04:36:57 PM »

Taft despite his support of Public Housing and Federal mortgage insurance.
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2010, 12:25:38 AM »

Taft or Goldwater.
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2010, 02:44:01 AM »

Taft
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2010, 09:52:17 AM »

Goldwater.
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2010, 12:29:59 PM »

Good question, I'd say it depends on life cycle as well as which issue you mean. On racial issues the spectrum is likely Helms most conservative, then Goldwater, then Taft.
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2010, 12:33:44 PM »

They were all the most conservative for their own times.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2010, 12:46:13 PM »

The meaning of "conservative" changes over time. That is inherent in the term's definition. "True conservative" isn't an oxymoron in the strict sense of the word, of course, but it's a fundamentally flawed concept.
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2010, 01:09:44 PM »

Both Taft and Goldwater would be now labeled as "RINOs", and probably targeted by tea party nutjobs.
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2010, 01:41:49 PM »

Helms: Goldwater was practically a liberal by comparison, Taft less so but Helms was clearly still the most conservative of the three.
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2010, 01:42:39 PM »

Both Taft and Goldwater would be now labeled as "RINOs", and probably targeted by tea party nutjobs.

Uhh . . . they're well to the right of anyone in the current Republican Senate caucus.
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2010, 02:17:06 PM »

Let's see...Goldwater was a social liberal, Taft a foreign-policy liberal.

Obviously Helms was the most conservative.
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2010, 02:57:43 PM »

Let's see...Goldwater was a social liberal, Taft a foreign-policy liberal.

Obviously Helms was the most conservative.

LOLOLOLOLOL.
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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2010, 03:09:41 PM »

Let's see...Goldwater was a social liberal, Taft a foreign-policy liberal.

Obviously Helms was the most conservative.

LOLOLOLOLOL.

What, are you saying Taft was an interventionist?
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2010, 03:10:51 PM »

No, I'm saying that interventionism is not and has never been the conservative position.
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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2010, 03:11:35 PM »

Let's see...Goldwater was a social liberal, Taft a foreign-policy liberal.

Obviously Helms was the most conservative.

LOLOLOLOLOL.

What, are you saying Taft was an interventionist?

Robert A. Taft had a conservative foreign policy. You have a liberal foreign policy, along with Woodrow Wilson and Harry Truman.
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2010, 03:17:29 PM »

Let's see...Goldwater was a social liberal, Taft a foreign-policy liberal.

Obviously Helms was the most conservative.

LOLOLOLOLOL.

What, are you saying Taft was an interventionist?

Robert A. Taft had a conservative foreign policy. You have a liberal foreign policy, along with Woodrow Wilson and Harry Truman.

lol
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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2010, 03:19:35 PM »

Let's see...Goldwater was a social liberal, Taft a foreign-policy liberal.

Obviously Helms was the most conservative.

LOLOLOLOLOL.

What, are you saying Taft was an interventionist?

Robert A. Taft had a conservative foreign policy. You have a liberal foreign policy, along with Woodrow Wilson and Harry Truman.

lol

Oh, and FDR and Lyndon Johnson and Hubert Humphrey and John Kerry and Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden... And Barack Obama.

Why aren't you a Democrat? Huh
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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2010, 03:22:01 PM »

And Leon Trotsky, whose followers invented the idea, rather recently, that it is in any way conservative to have an interventionist foreign policy.
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2010, 03:25:04 PM »

And Leon Trotsky, whose followers invented the idea, rather recently, that it is in any way conservative to have an interventionist foreign policy.

So Trotskyites are neo-cons? That takes the cake for most ridiculous thing I've read today.
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2010, 03:26:20 PM »

And Leon Trotsky, whose followers invented the idea, rather recently, that it is in any way conservative to have an interventionist foreign policy.

So Trotskyites are neo-cons? That takes the cake for most ridiculous thing I've read today.

And it's completely true.
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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2010, 03:27:48 PM »
« Edited: October 03, 2010, 03:43:49 PM by Mideast Assemblyman True Conservative »

Let's see...Goldwater was a social liberal, Taft a foreign-policy liberal.

Obviously Helms was the most conservative.

LOLOLOLOLOL.

What, are you saying Taft was an interventionist?

Robert A. Taft had a conservative foreign policy. You have a liberal foreign policy, along with Woodrow Wilson and Harry Truman.

lol

Oh, and FDR and Lyndon Johnson and Hubert Humphrey and John Kerry and Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden... And Barack Obama.

Why aren't you a Democrat? Huh

1. I'm not aware that Kerry or Obama are interventionists.
2. Democrats today are more isolationist than Republicans today.
3. Even if all Democrats were interventionist, that's not the only issue I care about, unlike you.

And Leon Trotsky, whose followers invented the idea, rather recently, that it is in any way conservative to have an interventionist foreign policy.

Are you accusing me of being a Leon Trotsky follower? That's even more stupid than anything that Libertas has said about me.
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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2010, 03:29:41 PM »

And Leon Trotsky, whose followers invented the idea, rather recently, that it is in any way conservative to have an interventionist foreign policy.

So Trotskyites are neo-cons? That takes the cake for most ridiculous thing I've read today.

And it's completely true.

The lack of citations in that article is telling.

Do tell me, however, what ideas in Trotskyism carried over into modern neo-conservatism?
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