Which senator was the most conservative?

[Sewer]

And Leon Trotsky, whose followers invented the idea, rather recently, that it is in any way conservative to have an interventionist foreign policy.

So Trotskyites are neo-cons? That takes the cake for most ridiculous thing I've read today.

And it's completely true.

Neoconservatism is a lot older then that.

[tpfkaw]

And Leon Trotsky, whose followers invented the idea, rather recently, that it is in any way conservative to have an interventionist foreign policy.

So Trotskyites are neo-cons? That takes the cake for most ridiculous thing I've read today.

And it's completely true.

The lack of citations in that article is telling.

Do tell me, however, what ideas in Trotskyism carried over into modern neo-conservatism?

Perhaps Irving Kristol himself is a better source.

And the idea that carries over into neoconservatism is that there needs to be permanent worldwide revolution to be accomplished by invading foreign countries.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

And Leon Trotsky, whose followers invented the idea, rather recently, that it is in any way conservative to have an interventionist foreign policy.

And just think of how fundamentally anti-conservative war is. The effects it has on our own culture could never be described as anything resembling conservative. Think of the changes that went on during the world wars. Families were uprooted from their homes; young men were shipped off to die in some unknown foreign land; those who stayed behind were forced to give up their family farms or small-town lives in order to earn a wage in the cities, with women now working in factories producing death machines in order to support their families. The psychology of the people was changed from one valuing individualism, free markets, and respect toward other nations, to one valuing big government, central planning, and a collectivist "us vs. them" mindset.

War and interventionism are just so fundamentally incompatible with traditional American conservatism.

[President Mitt]

2. Democrats today are more isolationist than Republicans today.

The term 'isolationist' must be different then I've been going with for a while then...

[Frink]

And Leon Trotsky, whose followers invented the idea, rather recently, that it is in any way conservative to have an interventionist foreign policy.

So Trotskyites are neo-cons? That takes the cake for most ridiculous thing I've read today.

And it's completely true.

The lack of citations in that article is telling.

Do tell me, however, what ideas in Trotskyism carried over into modern neo-conservatism?

Perhaps Irving Kristol himself is a better source.

And the idea that carries over into neoconservatism is that there needs to be permanent worldwide revolution to be accomplished by invading foreign countries.

That represents a fundamental misunderstanding, simplification, and misinterpretation of the doctrine of Permanent Revolution on your part, but its an easy mistake for anyone who reads Trotsky out of context to make.
I suggest you start here for better understanding of what the theory actually said and read some of his other works on the theory for better understanding of the context: http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1931/tpr/pr10.htm

Theirs an important quote in that article about his final beliefs relationship to socialism as well, but you can probably find that yourself.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

With regard to the neocon-Trotskyite connection, here's the old "illustrated progression" which traces the roots of the neocon ideology. As you can see, neoconism is not conservatism, it did not grow out of conservatism, it's not related to conservatism. Trotsky is indeed the granddaddy of neocon ideological thought.

[Frink]

Once again refer to Trotsky's own words, which I posted on the previous page, for a better understanding of what the theory means than "the theory that says permanent worldwide revolution needs to be accomplished by invading foreign countries" which is both (a) incorrect and (b) a gross simplification and mis-contextualization of what is actually a quite simple theory understood in the proper context.

[Frink]

With regard to the neocon-Trotskyite connection, here's the old "illustrated progression" which traces the roots of the neocon ideology. As you can see, neoconism is not conservatism, it did not grow out of conservatism, it's not related to conservatism. Trotsky is indeed the granddaddy of neocon ideological thought.

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Cross-pollination with formulators and actual relationship to his theories are very different things.