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« Reply #50 on: October 10, 2010, 10:15:07 PM »

12:00
Missouri is finally called for McCain.

1:00
Alaska, the last state to close its polls, goes for McCain. 

National Results
Obama-49.7%
McCain-48.2%
Barr-0.9%
Nader-0.6%
Other-0.6%

Total Voters: 131,463,122


 
Analysis
McCain surprised many pundits by taking all of the states marked “toss-up” and many that leaned Obama up until election night.  Despite this, high turnout amongst blacks allowed Obama to capture Virginia and thus the election.  Also notable was Libertarian candidate Bob Barr’s performance.  Largely because of Rep. Ron Paul’s endorsement at the Rally for the Republic, Barr broke the one million threshold, receiving almost 1% of all votes cast.  In 2012, the Libertarian Party will have ballot access in all 50 states.
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« Reply #51 on: October 11, 2010, 12:35:58 AM »

Damn.

What happens next? Smiley
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« Reply #52 on: October 11, 2010, 03:11:56 AM »

Sorry, that doesn't make a sense.

Pawlenty would never have an impact to make it as close. Let's face the fact, he's Mr. Irrevelant. No way popular in his own state, gets barely reelected only because his DFL opponent was a fool. He have no charisma, and while might not lose an independents like Palin, he'd never help with a base the way she did either. And that's mean, in the best case, no change at all.
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« Reply #53 on: October 11, 2010, 06:26:49 AM »

Obama won while losing Ohio? Unlikely.
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« Reply #54 on: October 11, 2010, 08:48:51 AM »

Obama won while losing Ohio? Unlikely.
I don't see why not, given that it only narrowly voted for him in 2008. It was one of the last states to go for McCain, and all red states on the map where won in actual 2008 by larger margins.
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« Reply #55 on: October 11, 2010, 11:16:53 AM »

Will we get detailed information concerning congressional and gubernatorial elections?
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« Reply #56 on: October 11, 2010, 12:04:01 PM »

Obama won while losing Ohio? Unlikely.
I don't see why not, given that it only narrowly voted for him in 2008. It was one of the last states to go for McCain, and all red states on the map where won in actual 2008 by larger margins.

Ohio has voted for the winning presidential in every single election except for 1960, when it voted for Nixon by <10%. But I guess there is a second time for everything?
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« Reply #57 on: October 11, 2010, 01:51:59 PM »

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Sorry, that doesn't make a sense.

Pawlenty would never have an impact to make it as close. Let's face the fact, he's Mr. Irrevelant. No way popular in his own state, gets barely reelected only because his DFL opponent was a fool. He have no charisma, and while might not lose an independents like Palin, he'd never help with a base the way she did either. And that's mean, in the best case, no change at all.
Obviously this timeline diverges from ours with McCain's selection of Pawlenty but from there butterflies are not contained.  I hope I didn't make the changes too subtle, but the McCain campaign has not recieved nearly as much flak as they did in OTL because of this selection.  This means that notable figure, such as Colin Powell endorse him rather than Obama and the McCain campaign never gives up hope, which I tried to indicate with TTL's SNL appearance.


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McCain lost Ohio in OTL by less than 5%.  This was one of the decisions I was very split upon, but my logic is that Pawlenty in addition to the McCain campaign's additional momentum and Powell's endorsement sways just enough voters to hand the state to McCain by a few tenth's of a percent.


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Possibly.  I am still looking into whether there would have been any notable changes.  If I can't justify making any changes than probably not.


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My thoughts exactly.
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« Reply #58 on: October 11, 2010, 02:59:38 PM »

Obama won while losing Ohio? Unlikely.
I don't see why not, given that it only narrowly voted for him in 2008. It was one of the last states to go for McCain, and all red states on the map where won in actual 2008 by larger margins.

Ohio has voted for the winning presidential in every single election except for 1960, when it voted for Nixon by <10%. But I guess there is a second time for everything?

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« Reply #59 on: October 11, 2010, 03:00:38 PM »

Senate Elections - 2008



Minnesota: Incumbent Republican senator Norm Coleman defeated Al Franken in a race that came down to a few hundred votes.  The strong showing of Minnesota Independent Party candidate Dean Barkley who garnered over 15% of all votes cast indubitably had a strong impact on the race.




Oregon: Incumbent Republican senator Gordon Smith very narrowly beat out democratic challenger Jeff Merkley.  Dave Brownlow of the Constitution Party did well, breaking 3% and very nearly spoiling the election to the Democrats.






House Elections - 2008



Connecticut 4: Incumbent Republican Chris Shayes manages to stave of democratic challenger Jim Himes, winning reelection by less than 1%.




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The above are the only notable changes from the OTL results.  Presume that all other elections went as they did in real life, though there may be some changes in the percentage of votes that each candidate recieved.
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« Reply #60 on: October 11, 2010, 05:37:21 PM »

Could Obama have carried Alaska in this TL? he was leading in polls before the sarah palin thing.

anyways, good TL
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« Reply #61 on: October 11, 2010, 05:43:04 PM »

Could Obama have carried Alaska in this TL? he was leading in polls before the sarah palin thing.

anyways, good TL
No he wasn't. Every poll before Palin was picked had McCain winning except one, which was clearly an outlier and done by a Democratic-tilt firm. I could make the same argument for Minnesota, where one poll at the beginning of October had McCain up by 1.
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« Reply #62 on: October 11, 2010, 05:59:05 PM »

Obama won while losing Ohio? Unlikely.
I don't see why not, given that it only narrowly voted for him in 2008. It was one of the last states to go for McCain, and all red states on the map where won in actual 2008 by larger margins.

Ohio has voted for the winning presidential in every single election except for 1960, when it voted for Nixon by <10%. But I guess there is a second time for everything?

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He lost Ohio both times.
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« Reply #63 on: October 11, 2010, 06:05:41 PM »

Obama won while losing Ohio? Unlikely.
I don't see why not, given that it only narrowly voted for him in 2008. It was one of the last states to go for McCain, and all red states on the map where won in actual 2008 by larger margins.

Ohio has voted for the winning presidential in every single election except for 1960, when it voted for Nixon by <10%. But I guess there is a second time for everything?

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He lost Ohio both times.

Except in 1944....
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« Reply #64 on: October 11, 2010, 06:07:04 PM »

Obama won while losing Ohio? Unlikely.
I don't see why not, given that it only narrowly voted for him in 2008. It was one of the last states to go for McCain, and all red states on the map where won in actual 2008 by larger margins.

Ohio has voted for the winning presidential in every single election except for 1960, when it voted for Nixon by <10%. But I guess there is a second time for everything?

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He lost Ohio both times.

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« Reply #65 on: October 13, 2010, 07:33:30 PM »

Sorry guys, I have been busy with life.  I will try and have the next update posted tomorrow.
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« Reply #66 on: October 15, 2010, 11:04:50 PM »
« Edited: October 15, 2010, 11:12:35 PM by feeblepizza »

Obama won while losing Ohio? Unlikely.
I don't see why not, given that it only narrowly voted for him in 2008. It was one of the last states to go for McCain, and all red states on the map where won in actual 2008 by larger margins.

Ohio has voted for the winning presidential in every single election except for 1960, when it voted for Nixon by <10%. But I guess there is a second time for everything?

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He lost Ohio both times.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1948

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?f=0&year=1948

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmgq3YJWOQQ&feature=related

You're map is so incredibly wrong.

a - no Thurmond

and b - Oregon voted for Dewey
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« Reply #67 on: October 15, 2010, 11:11:13 PM »

Obama won while losing Ohio? Unlikely.
I don't see why not, given that it only narrowly voted for him in 2008. It was one of the last states to go for McCain, and all red states on the map where won in actual 2008 by larger margins.

Ohio has voted for the winning presidential in every single election except for 1960, when it voted for Nixon by <10%. But I guess there is a second time for everything?

This guy would like a word with you:



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He lost Ohio both times.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1948

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?f=0&year=1948

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmgq3YJWOQQ&feature=related

You're map is so incredibly wrong.

a - no Thurmond

and b - Oregon voted for Dewey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1944

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?f=0&year=1944
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« Reply #68 on: October 15, 2010, 11:12:53 PM »

Obama won while losing Ohio? Unlikely.
I don't see why not, given that it only narrowly voted for him in 2008. It was one of the last states to go for McCain, and all red states on the map where won in actual 2008 by larger margins.

Ohio has voted for the winning presidential in every single election except for 1960, when it voted for Nixon by <10%. But I guess there is a second time for everything?

This guy would like a word with you:



Tongue



He lost Ohio both times.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1948

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?f=0&year=1948

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmgq3YJWOQQ&feature=related

You're map is so incredibly wrong.

a - no Thurmond

and b - Oregon voted for Dewey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1944

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?f=0&year=1944

I stand corrected.
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« Reply #69 on: October 16, 2010, 03:29:27 AM »

So, in this TL, what happened in Alaska when it was revealed that the governor's daughter was pregnant?
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« Reply #70 on: October 17, 2010, 04:24:48 PM »

So, in this TL, what happened in Alaska when it was revealed that the governor's daughter was pregnant?

Lucky her, she is not up for reelection until 2010.  The story might not have broken until December 2008 when her daughter starts having regular doctors visits.  After all, the Palin familiy would not be under the intense public crutiny that a vice presidential candidate recieves.

I will try and have update posted later today.
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« Reply #71 on: October 17, 2010, 05:15:21 PM »

Proposition 8



November 5, 2008
California’s Proposition 8, a voter initiative to define marriage as only between one man and one woman, passes by an extraordinarily thin margin with 50.11% voting yes and 49.89% voting no.  There is already buzz on the internet about planned demonstrations from pro-gay rights activists and it can be expected that numerous lawsuits will be filed against this amendment over the next few days.

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« Reply #72 on: October 17, 2010, 05:25:43 PM »

Financial Crisis Update



November 10, 2008
The US Government announces a $40 billion bailout to American International Group.  Meanwhile, Circuit City files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

 
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« Reply #73 on: October 23, 2010, 09:10:28 AM »

Will this continue, or is this just for the 2008 election?
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« Reply #74 on: October 23, 2010, 05:52:49 PM »

Will this continue, or is this just for the 2008 election?
It will continue eventually.  My outline for after the election was rather vague, henc eth etemporary hiatus.  Meanwhile, I suggest checking my other timeline, "The Progressive Party (1924-?)" which is linked in my sig.
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