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« on: October 07, 2010, 03:02:04 PM »

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/04/local/la-me-welfare-20101004

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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2010, 03:03:14 PM »

And people wonder why our state budget is so bad . . .
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2010, 03:03:27 PM »

You know, when you're posting an article, you should try to provide some explanation as to how it's relevant.
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2010, 07:15:17 PM »

But welfare recipients spending money is a good thing, wormyguy - this boosts the economy.  You should read about Keynes.
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2010, 08:48:27 PM »

I think this is rather low on the list of reasons why California's budget is so bad.
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2010, 08:50:30 PM »

I did?
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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2010, 09:27:02 PM »

I think this is rather low on the list of reasons why California's budget is so bad.

Correct.  Undertaxation is the reason.
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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2010, 09:38:48 PM »

You know, when you're posting an article, you should try to provide some explanation as to how it's relevant.

Isn't that self evident?  $70 million lost to fraud would be better served for real need and expenditures.  While there are many other and more pressing problems, this shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2010, 09:41:24 PM »

I love how the article implies that welfare money should only be spent inside California. Poors can't travel to other states or enjoy themselves!

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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2010, 10:37:11 PM »

I have an idea. Instead of money, welfare should be provided in the form of food stamp style credits. Merchants can then take these credits to the state and exchange them for real money. That way only government approved items can be purchased through welfare.
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2010, 11:01:33 PM »

I have an idea. Instead of money, welfare should be provided in the form of food stamp style credits. Merchants can then take these credits to the state and exchange them for real money. That way only government approved items can be purchased through welfare.

The article implied that actual welfare cards are being used.

I think this is rather low on the list of reasons why California's budget is so bad.

Agreed. Also, it should detract from the reality that plenty of people do need the money and do not abuse it.

Also, keep in mind:

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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2010, 11:06:16 PM »

The funny part is that wormyguy and all the other rich-worshipers never complain that the holiday havens are chock-a-block with the owning class year round.  Guys, you have to understand that it is the rich who are 'taking your money' for pleasure-trips, not the poor.

(one would think this would be obvious, but they're blinded by their worship of power).
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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2010, 11:18:40 PM »

The funny part is that wormyguy and all the other rich-worshipers never complain that the holiday havens are chock-a-block with the owning class year round.  Guys, you have to understand that it is the rich who are 'taking your money' for pleasure-trips, not the poor.

(one would think this would be obvious, but they're blinded by their worship of power).

Are there any non-rich ex-pats in Thailand? I just realized it's probably not that difficult to live there long-term or expensive and even non-riches can save up the money.
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2010, 11:24:28 PM »

The funny part is that wormyguy and all the other rich-worshipers never complain that the holiday havens are chock-a-block with the owning class year round.  Guys, you have to understand that it is the rich who are 'taking your money' for pleasure-trips, not the poor.

(one would think this would be obvious, but they're blinded by their worship of power).

Are there any non-rich ex-pats in Thailand? I just realized it's probably not that difficult to live there long-term or expensive and even non-riches can save up the money.

Sure, there are a lot of non-rich Europeans. 
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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2010, 11:32:46 PM »

Lol @ opebo economics.
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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2010, 11:39:50 PM »
« Edited: October 07, 2010, 11:43:32 PM by Foster »

I have an idea. Instead of money, welfare should be provided in the form of food stamp style credits. Merchants can then take these credits to the state and exchange them for real money. That way only government approved items can be purchased through welfare.

I say just replace all welfare with an even more expansive Negative Income Tax or some kind of Guaranteed Minimum Income.

The stamps idea is intriguing though and I'm sure I've read it somewhere else...
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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2010, 02:59:47 AM »

I think this is rather low on the list of reasons why California's budget is so bad.

I was actually referring to this as a proxy for our incredibly high number of welfare cases in general.  California has close to 40% of the Nation's welfare recipients, mostly because we're the only state that didn't institute some from of welfare reform in the 1990s.
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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2010, 09:42:03 AM »

I have an idea. Instead of money, welfare should be provided in the form of food stamp style credits. Merchants can then take these credits to the state and exchange them for real money. That way only government approved items can be purchased through welfare.

And why should people be required to buy only things the government allows them to?
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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2010, 09:44:37 AM »

I have an idea. Instead of money, welfare should be provided in the form of food stamp style credits. Merchants can then take these credits to the state and exchange them for real money. That way only government approved items can be purchased through welfare.

And why should people be required to buy only things the government allows them to?

Because the government is paying for the "things."
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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2010, 09:56:46 AM »

I have an idea. Instead of money, welfare should be provided in the form of food stamp style credits. Merchants can then take these credits to the state and exchange them for real money. That way only government approved items can be purchased through welfare.

And why should people be required to buy only things the government allows them to?

Because the government is paying for the "things."
I agree, if people need some help that is fine, but it is an abuse to take money that Government and to a greater extent taxpayers in general decided to give to help out the less fortunate and spend it on non essential things
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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2010, 04:32:03 PM »

And why should people be required to buy only things the government allows them to?

Because the government is paying for the "things."

But workers are also paying for all the things the rich have, memphis.  Why don't we get to stipulate exactly what they can buy?
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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2010, 12:23:41 AM »

Instead of money, welfare should be provided in the form of food stamp style credits. Merchants can then take these credits to the state and exchange them for real money. That way only government approved items can be purchased through welfare.
You bring up a good point. Just exactly what is "real money?" Look into the history of that question, and you may find the source of our country's (not to mention the rest of the world's) present financial dilemma.
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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2010, 04:09:48 AM »

The fact that more of this kind of money was spent at the Tropicana than the Venetian should probably demonstrate something rather striking for Vegas locals, but would be dull as hell for the rest of you.

It is rather amusing in a way that - in theory - some of Torie's tax dollars have ended up in my bank account.  Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2010, 05:54:50 AM »

It is rather amusing in a way that - in theory - some of Torie's tax dollars have ended up in my bank account.  Smiley

You work in a casino?
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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2010, 01:55:48 PM »

No, but like most people who live here, I work in a tourism-related field.  Not all of the welfare was spent on gambling, the article says.
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