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Associate Justice PiT
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« on: October 07, 2010, 06:52:16 PM »

The way I see it, there are two ways of measuring if an ideology is "left-wing" or "right-wing."

The first is the simplest - right-wing ideologies support systems closer to laissez-faire economics, left-wing ideologies support greater redistribution of wealth and greater central planning.  Fascism and Naziism support total government control of the economy and a vastly expanded welfare state.  They are therefore clearly left-wing, if not far-left, in this regard.

The second is a more subjective one - "left" ideologies are generally futurist and disdainful of old social orders, "right" ideologies seek to defend traditional social orders against modern encroachment.  Fascism and Naziism advocate a literal "end to history" in which all "old" thinking, culture, and artifacts would be eliminated, and be replaced by modern "new" thinking.  The aristocracy would be overthrown and the "new man" would be king.  Symbols of modernism - planes, trains, automobiles, and the military, would form the focus of their ideology.  Hence the Nazi plans to bulldoze the entire historical district of Berlin and fill it with gigantic neoclassical monstrosities, and the Fascist plans to fill in the Venetian canals.  The Nazis even banned the use of Fraktur type in newpapers and encouraged the use of Futura.  They are therefore "left" on a cultural basis as well.

Which brings us to the horseshoe theory.

     As Gully points out, the first definition really has no existence outside of the United States, & within the fairly recent history of the United States at that. Therefore, using it to describe the policies of the Nazis can only be described as nonsensical.
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2010, 02:42:49 PM »

Read what lewrockwell.com has to say on this before you resort to the lefty attacks.

I'm sorry I'm not going to take knowledge from the guy who tried to ally American libertarians with Patrick Buchanan of all people seriously.
And as for lefty attacks.......


He did?

Anyway, they might have the same foreign policy views, but radically differ on Culture War, abortion, social views, etc. Plus, it is general believed the Buchanan is a (not so) closet racist.

     Buchanan also supported labor unions in addition to all of that. How allying with him seemed like a sensible move for libertarians is one of the greatest mysteries of our time. To Lew Rockwell's credit, he later admitted that it was a mistake.
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2010, 07:29:54 PM »

Read what lewrockwell.com has to say on this before you resort to the lefty attacks.

I'm sorry I'm not going to take knowledge from the guy who tried to ally American libertarians with Patrick Buchanan of all people seriously.
And as for lefty attacks.......


He did?

Anyway, they might have the same foreign policy views, but radically differ on Culture War, abortion, social views, etc. Plus, it is general believed the Buchanan is a (not so) closet racist.

     Buchanan also supported labor unions in addition to all of that. How allying with him seemed like a sensible move for libertarians is one of the greatest mysteries of our time. To Lew Rockwell's credit, he later admitted that it was a mistake.

When did they allie with him? 1992? 2000?

     The idea was first put forth in 1990, but it was realized with Buchanan's 1992 run. This link says quite a bit about it.
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