Opinion of Liberalism?

[LBJ Revivalist]

Well, what are your opinons? By liberalism I mean the Progressivism of the 1900s, the New Deal Great Society era of the 1930s-1970s and the revival of Progressvism today.

[feeblepizza]

Liberalism is the opposite of logic. Therefore, I must fight it.

[sparkey]

Then why not just call it "progressivism?" That's a more specific term. I'm a fan of the liberalism of John Locke, but not the liberalism of John Rawls.

[Frink]

Well, what are your opinons? By liberalism I mean the Progressivism of the 1900s, the New Deal Great Society era of the 1930s-1970s and the revival of Progressvism today.

Kind of a broad question since those three things are actually quite different in a lot of ways.

[Earth]

Well, what are your opinons? By liberalism I mean the Progressivism of the 1900s, the New Deal Great Society era of the 1930s-1970s and the revival of Progressvism today.

All three are distinct from one another. I'd even go as far as saying there is no progressive revival now.

Modern liberalism is a sick joke.

[RIP Robert H Bork]

Well, what are your opinons? By liberalism I mean the Progressivism of the 1900s, the New Deal Great Society era of the 1930s-1970s and the revival of Progressvism today.

All three are distinct from one another. I'd even go as far as saying there is no progressive revival now.

Modern liberalism is a sick joke.

You're a modern liberal....

[Frink]

Well, what are your opinons? By liberalism I mean the Progressivism of the 1900s, the New Deal Great Society era of the 1930s-1970s and the revival of Progressvism today.

All three are distinct from one another. I'd even go as far as saying there is no progressive revival now.

Modern liberalism is a sick joke.

You're a modern liberal....

Doesn't mean he has to like the path modern liberalism (which is more of a third way ideology) has taken recently.

[Earth]

You're a modern liberal....

Please don't call me a liberal. I'm a far-left nancy.

[LBJ Revivalist]

Well, what are your opinons? By liberalism I mean the Progressivism of the 1900s, the New Deal Great Society era of the 1930s-1970s and the revival of Progressvism today.

All three are distinct from one another. I'd even go as far as saying there is no progressive revival now.

Modern liberalism is a sick joke.

How are they that different?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Freedom Ideology in both the American sense and the original European sense.

[Earth]

Well, what are your opinons? By liberalism I mean the Progressivism of the 1900s, the New Deal Great Society era of the 1930s-1970s and the revival of Progressvism today.

All three are distinct from one another. I'd even go as far as saying there is no progressive revival now.

Modern liberalism is a sick joke.

How are they that different?

The impetus for each one, culturally, I'd say is different. The early progressive; women's sufferage, early feminism, isolationism, anti-war, union organizing and igitation. This is the only liberalism that had both the ability, and the desire to drastically change the political makeup of America. Sort of embodied by the Anti-Fordist atmosphere of then labor.

The New Deal era was, to me, the introduction of a pacified, complacent liberalism, which set up token opposition towards the status quo. A continuation of appeasement that occurred stemming from the breakdown of the second international. Not to say liberals where in line with Marxist thinking at all, but the general capitulation towards their respective states' agenda. Support for war, and a bit later, the rise of support for neoliberalism. I think this wave of liberalism reaches from about '30, to the 50s, ultimately being rendered irrelevant by the wave of right wing cold war aggression.

The modern liberalism, embodied by the center today, and the democratic party take a few of these traits, but finds a big mixture of baby boomer '68 bourgeois hippie nonsense. The rise of multiculturalism as a political focus, lip service to tolerance; the special interest groups of center politics. This is where things get really disgusting, from the point of view of the (dead) left. All of us on the forum have grown up with this form of liberalism.

If the New Deal liberals were the ones to essentially give in to the status quo, this modern liberalism is the bootlicker of the right, and has been since at least the late 70s. The emphasis on bipartisanship, and the marginalization of every political party and ideal not represented by the democratic party. Strong moralising, but entirely hypocritical, and neglectful of the needs of it's constituents, generally the poor, and working class. Neoliberal Capitalism's answer to the cola revolution.

As you can see, I take it as an insult to be called a liberal. Definitely not a freedom ideology. Ideology masquerading as "non-ideology".

[tpfkaw]

Ah, "progressivism."  The idea that we ought to cease all progress in society and culture in favor of petty tribalism and caveman notions of "fairness."

Worst ideology that has ever existed (also the oldest) besides those that actually involved murdering people as one of their chief tenets.

[Sewer]

Ah, "progressivism."  The idea that we ought to cease all progress in society and culture in favor of petty tribalism and caveman notions of "fairness."

I have never met some one thinks like that, where do they live?

[tpfkaw]

Ah, "progressivism."  The idea that we ought to cease all progress in society and culture in favor of petty tribalism and caveman notions of "fairness."

I have never met some one thinks like that, where do they live?

1600 Pennsylvania avenue.

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[Sewer]

Ah, "progressivism."  The idea that we ought to cease all progress in society and culture in favor of petty tribalism and caveman notions of "fairness."

I have never met some one thinks like that, where do they live?

1600 Pennsylvania avenue.

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I don't see the ceasing of all progress in society and culture, tribalism or caveman...

[k-onmmunist]

Ah, "progressivism."  The idea that we ought to cease all progress in society and culture in favor of petty tribalism and caveman notions of "fairness."

Worst ideology that has ever existed (also the oldest) besides those that actually involved murdering people as one of their chief tenets.

Ah, "capitalism". The idea that we ought to cease all progress in society and culture in favour of petty competition and feudal notions of "hierachy"

See? We can play at your game too.

Also, 10,000th post!