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« on: October 15, 2010, 01:11:11 AM »

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43648.html

I really hope this tool wins New Hampshire and wins moderates.
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2010, 12:11:15 PM »

He's just addressing the obvious, which is we're going to have to increase revenues beyond simply slashing spending and taxes. But a 'value added tax'? Isn't that just a tax on top of a tax? Don't like the sound of it.
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2010, 12:18:50 PM »

look, you can stop talking about this guy, because the GOP would much rather see the defense budget cut in half than see any more taxes raised.  i.e. they are not going to entertain the thought of raising taxes until the Federal Budget is gutted - and I mean GUTTED.

The fear among the GOP is socialism and the fear is that time is growing very short to save the US, and they're individual freedom.  They are NOT going to be willing to throw more gasoline (higher taxes) onto the fire (spending).

The GOP voters are making a final stand.
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2010, 01:48:11 PM »

look, you can stop talking about this guy, because the GOP would much rather see the defense budget cut in half than see any more taxes raised.  i.e. they are not going to entertain the thought of raising taxes until the Federal Budget is gutted - and I mean GUTTED.

The fear among the GOP is socialism and the fear is that time is growing very short to save the US, and they're individual freedom.  They are NOT going to be willing to throw more gasoline (higher taxes) onto the fire (spending).

The GOP voters are making a final stand.

More of a final solution, really: the final and complete dismantling of the American welfare state.
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2010, 03:00:04 PM »

Must. Destroy. Any. Republican. Not. Named. Palin.
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2010, 03:13:35 PM »

look, you can stop talking about this guy, because the GOP would much rather see the defense budget cut in half than see any more taxes raised.  i.e. they are not going to entertain the thought of raising taxes until the Federal Budget is gutted - and I mean GUTTED.

The fear among the GOP is socialism and the fear is that time is growing very short to save the US, and they're individual freedom.  They are NOT going to be willing to throw more gasoline (higher taxes) onto the fire (spending).

The GOP voters are making a final stand.

     If only that were true. However, when push comes to shove, I imagine the GOP will cling hard to their defense budget.
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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2010, 03:21:11 PM »

look, you can stop talking about this guy, because the GOP would much rather see the defense budget cut in half than see any more taxes raised.  i.e. they are not going to entertain the thought of raising taxes until the Federal Budget is gutted - and I mean GUTTED.

The fear among the GOP is socialism and the fear is that time is growing very short to save the US, and they're individual freedom.  They are NOT going to be willing to throw more gasoline (higher taxes) onto the fire (spending).

The GOP voters are making a final stand.

If only that were true. However, when push comes to shove, I imagine the GOP will cling hard to their defense budget.

Indeed.  I think our friend from Texas is confusing the Republican base with Republican politicians.
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2010, 03:27:49 PM »

We've heard enough about Daniels. He's severely overrated as governor and his love for tax hikes means he will never earn my support.
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2010, 03:29:28 PM »

We've heard enough about Daniels. He's severely overrated as governor and his love for tax hikes means he will never earn my support.

The only taxes he's raised was the sales tax. And that was only by 1% in order to level the massive revenue loss from his property tax cuts
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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2010, 03:34:40 PM »

We've heard enough about Daniels. He's severely overrated as governor and his love for tax hikes means he will never earn my support.

The only taxes he's raised was the sales tax. And that was only by 1% in order to level the massive revenue loss from his property tax cuts

This is not the first time we've heard Daniels promising that he would raise taxes were he to obtain national political power.
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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2010, 03:38:20 PM »

We've heard enough about Daniels. He's severely overrated as governor and his love for tax hikes means he will never earn my support.

The only taxes he's raised was the sales tax. And that was only by 1% in order to level the massive revenue loss from his property tax cuts

This is not the first time we've heard Daniels promising that he would raise taxes were he to obtain national political power.

Send me some proof, please.
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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2010, 03:46:31 PM »

We've heard enough about Daniels. He's severely overrated as governor and his love for tax hikes means he will never earn my support.

The only taxes he's raised was the sales tax. And that was only by 1% in order to level the massive revenue loss from his property tax cuts

This is not the first time we've heard Daniels promising that he would raise taxes were he to obtain national political power.

Send me some proof, please.

Daniels: Tax hikes might be necessary
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Also, see the OP right here in this thread. Wink
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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2010, 11:15:31 PM »

look, you can stop talking about this guy, because the GOP would much rather see the defense budget cut in half than see any more taxes raised.  i.e. they are not going to entertain the thought of raising taxes until the Federal Budget is gutted - and I mean GUTTED.

The fear among the GOP is socialism and the fear is that time is growing very short to save the US, and they're individual freedom.  They are NOT going to be willing to throw more gasoline (higher taxes) onto the fire (spending).

The GOP voters are making a final stand.

If they're dead serious about what you stated, there are only 2 candidates that will do what they believe in. And they're quite alike, one is older than the other though. Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2010, 01:06:31 PM »

Americans are not going to vote for a President who promises a national sales tax unless there are really-nice goodies attached as is true in most countries with a VAT.
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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2010, 03:55:12 PM »

It's surreal to see a prominent Republican say something half-sensible on economic issues, really.
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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2010, 07:17:14 PM »

Grover Norquist says he thinks this rules Daniels out:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43702.html

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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2010, 08:24:19 PM »

Norquist gave Daniels  a perfect opportunity to save himself by claiming he was on crystal meth and Daniels blew it.  One gaffe after another with that Mitch.
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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2010, 09:19:31 PM »

It's surreal to see a prominent Republican say something half-sensible on economic issues, really.

Yeah, cause stealing more money from hardworking Americans equals "sensible"....
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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2010, 04:00:06 PM »

It's surreal to see a prominent Republican say something half-sensible on economic issues, really.

Yeah, cause stealing more money from hardworking Americans equals "sensible"....
We should really just have no taxes at all.  Wouldn't that be grand?
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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2010, 04:06:46 PM »

It's surreal to see a prominent Republican say something half-sensible on economic issues, really.

Yeah, cause stealing more money from hardworking Americans equals "sensible"....
We should really just have no taxes at all.  Wouldn't that be grand?

Definitely.
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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2010, 04:09:09 PM »

It's surreal to see a prominent Republican say something half-sensible on economic issues, really.

Yeah, cause stealing more money from hardworking Americans equals "sensible"....
We should really just have no taxes at all.  Wouldn't that be grand?

Definitely.
Because we can all just by guns and shoot criminals that try to break into our houses.  And build our own roads.  And hire private tutors to educate our children.  And staff our own fire stations.  And....
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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2010, 04:13:29 PM »

It's surreal to see a prominent Republican say something half-sensible on economic issues, really.

Yeah, cause stealing more money from hardworking Americans equals "sensible"....
We should really just have no taxes at all.  Wouldn't that be grand?

Definitely.
Because we can all just by guns and shoot criminals that try to break into our houses.  And build our own roads.  And hire private tutors to educate our children.  And staff our own fire stations.  And....

Yes, actually we can do all those things, and have done every single one of those things not all that long ago.
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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2010, 04:32:23 PM »

It's surreal to see a prominent Republican say something half-sensible on economic issues, really.

Yeah, cause stealing more money from hardworking Americans equals "sensible"....
We should really just have no taxes at all.  Wouldn't that be grand?

Definitely.
Because we can all just by guns and shoot criminals that try to break into our houses.  And build our own roads.  And hire private tutors to educate our children.  And staff our own fire stations.  And....

Yes, actually we can do all those things, and have done every single one of those things not all that long ago.
Government operated courts and jails have been with us since ancients times as have government built roads.  Fire stations have always been government funded unless you count bucket lines and neighbors slapping at flames with soggy pillows in the old west.  A public education system has been in place for centuries and as it has improved the standard of living in America and the average money the individual makes has been going up.  I understand that you may not be a pupil of history but back in the day, life sucked.
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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2010, 04:35:26 PM »

It's surreal to see a prominent Republican say something half-sensible on economic issues, really.

Yeah, cause stealing more money from hardworking Americans equals "sensible"....
We should really just have no taxes at all.  Wouldn't that be grand?

Definitely.
Because we can all just by guns and shoot criminals that try to break into our houses.  And build our own roads.  And hire private tutors to educate our children.  And staff our own fire stations.  And....

Yes, actually we can do all those things, and have done every single one of those things not all that long ago.

Were your great-grand parents educated by private teachers? If so, you probably don't really have a perspective here...
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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2010, 09:52:21 AM »

It's surreal to see a prominent Republican say something half-sensible on economic issues, really.

Half-sensible is a good start.
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