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« Reply #150 on: December 26, 2010, 01:19:32 pm »
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For those of you still reading, and who have been reading this entire time, I apologize for the lack of realism in this entire story. I know both American governments still resemble the actual American government, etc. After I finish this timeline with the 2010 RSA election, and the 2008 CSA elections, I'm thinking of doign an entirely different version of this, with more regions splitting up. The South will probably remain the way it is in this version. I want to get more into outlining different pieces of America, take New England/New York area, for example, saying that it becomes its own country:

Generally Liberal, ruled by people such as Chuck Schumer and the Cuomos. "Conservatism" represented by Mike Bloomberg, Rudy Giuiani, and Mitt Romney. "Far Right" is represented by Pat Toomey. Political center is represented by people such as the Caseys.
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« Reply #151 on: December 27, 2010, 07:06:32 pm »
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A note on the Ministry of Justice:
The Ministry of Justice is responsibly for enforcement of laws prosecution, etc. Basically like the modern day Justice Department. However, the Minister of Justice is also the head of the Renewed States Supreme Court, which hears cases. The Court is made up of the Minister of Justice, plus two other justices, appointed by the President to serve until death, resignation, or impeachment. The Minister of Justice also swears in the President on January 1st after the election. If there is an outgoing President, the current Minister of Justice still swears in the incoming President, though he leaves his post once the new Minister of Justice takes office.

List of Ministers of Justice thus far:
Earl Warren (1954-1958)
Robert S Shriver (1958-1961)
Robert Taft Jr. (1961-1971)
Edward Brooke (1971-1978)
Elliot Richardson (1978-1981)
Robert Taft Jr. (1981-Current Date)

This is just filler while I try to come up with a list of candidates for the Progressive and Centrist nominations. When this is done, I'll probably copy off Benconstine and set up Appendixes to list everything. When that happens, I'll try to create a list of Associate Justices.
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« Reply #152 on: December 27, 2010, 07:17:16 pm »
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There's only one criticism I have regarding this TL: rise of the Renewed States was simply too early.

Otherwise, very good job.
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« Reply #153 on: December 27, 2010, 07:41:11 pm »
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There's only one criticism I have regarding this TL: rise of the Renewed States was simply too early.

Well, it took eight to ten years, but I concur. I don't want to argue, but didn't the Commonwealth take shape in 1936?

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« Reply #154 on: December 29, 2010, 05:29:16 pm »
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Out of curiosity, as I'm looking to continue this, if Delaware was taken over by the Confederacy, does anyone here know whether the prominent duPont family would stay there, or would they move to somewhere more hospitable, such as New York. This may or may not have a bearing on the future of both nations.
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« Reply #155 on: December 29, 2010, 05:56:46 pm »
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Mini update:

As for the Centrist nomination, there were the two main politicians in the room. One, Pennsylvania Governor Bob Casey, was a Populist, pro-government spending, and socially conservative, while the other, California Governor Jerry Brown was a Libertarian, being socially Liberal and fiscally Conservative. The main amount of Centrists didn't want to have to choose between these two extemes. However, a viable candidate for the 'Centrist wing of the Centrist Party' had not stepped in by mid-1989. By September, there was a growing 'Draft Colin' movement as people turned to the war hero to lead the party in the Post-Rockefeller, Post-Bush, and Post-Ford world. Without those three standard bearers, the party had been left in chaos. Other possible choices included Nevada Secretary of Commerce John Ellis "Jeb" Bush, perceived rightful heir to the Centrist flag; and lawyer Rudy Giuliani who had worked for the Rockefeller Justice Ministry as a lawyer in the cases against the Nixon administration officials and a constitutional scholar for Minister of Justice Elliot Richardson. However, both possible candidate were relatively inexperienced and had little name recognition. Up until late 1989 would a candidate emerge for most of the Centristz to rally around.



For the Progressive who had been politically irrelevant the last ten years, they wanted a candidates that could lead them out of their slump. Some possible suggestions were Congressman Tom Harkin of Iowa and Congressman Chuck Schumer of New York, however both suffered a lack of charisma and a need for name recognition. The only real light that the Progressives saw was the candidacy of Congressman Ron Paul for the American Patriot nomination. With President Goldwater's endorsement, it seemed that he would win the nomination.
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« Reply #156 on: December 30, 2010, 05:00:10 pm »
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This is pretty cool.

Though the RSA did form a bit early.

Also, what is up with the CSA? It seems like they have been ignored for a while.
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« Reply #157 on: December 30, 2010, 05:06:04 pm »
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This is pretty cool.

Though the RSA did form a bit early.

Also, what is up with the CSA? It seems like they have been ignored for a while.

I primarily focus on the RSA, and every once in a while I'll give a summary of what's happened in the CSA. However, I'd be willing to expand their role and include more regular updates. Also, an update on the CSA would buy me time to work on finding suitable candidates for the Centrist and Progressive nominations. I could fill everyone in on the 1984 CSA election. That'll have to wait a few days though.

For the Centrist nomination, likely candidates are:
Jerry Brown
Bob Casey
Possibles are:
Pete DuPont (though he'd be relocated to New York)
Jay Rockefeller (he'd be in either New York or somewhere else)
Others, in case I'm completely bankrupt of ideas:
lawyer Rudy Giuliani who worked for the Rockefeller Administration
Nevada Minister of Commerce Jeb Bush, who was appointed there by a friend.
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« Reply #158 on: December 31, 2010, 05:46:24 pm »
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First off: Part XXIX will continue, however, I'm skipping back to the CSA because of writer's block.


America and Onward Part XXX
A Time for Reform

With Senate Majority Leader Howard Baker (R-TN) having secured the 1984 Reform nomination for President, the Reform Party felt prepared to move forward. However, instead of choosing former rival Jim Folsom Jr. of Alabama for Vice-President, Baker chose Georgia Senator Sam Nunn as a symbol of the growing internation awareness taking place within the Confederacy. The new feelings of acknowledging the existence of other countries began in the late 1970's when President John Connally first forged relations with the Renewed States of America and sent small shipments of troops over to Europe to fight in World War II. At that point, with the war heating up as well as at the same time dying down, people began believing that the Confederacy should take a larger part in world events. Capitalizing on that, Baker chose Nunn who had a good image among the Northern neighbors, the Renewed States of America.

For the Constitution Party, President Tower who, according to the Constitution was allowed to run for a full term, was being challenged from the Right by Virginia Governor Pat Robinson, a major leader of the "Constitutionalist Christian" movement who had been a preacher on television before being elected Governor of Virginia in 1985 (Virginia held election years for Governor that were considered odd, not lining up with the Presidential or mid-term elections). Pat Robinson, having stirred his so-called "Moral Majority", beat President Tower in various polls held thorughout the country. However, the nomination was determined by the convention, not the polls, and Robertson narrowly beat Tower on the first ballot. He chose North Carolina Senator Jesse Helms for Vice-President.

Going into the election with a bad economy and eighteen years of Constitution domination of the political system, Baker was naturally leading. However, Robertson continued to campaign non-stop and somehow, he was gaining on Baker. However, election night showed the true results.



Senate Majority Leader Howard Baker (R-TN)/Senator Sam Nunn (R-GA); 51 electoral votes
Governor Pat Robertson (C-VA)/Senator Jesse Helms (C-NC); 40 electoral votes

With Howard Baker's election, he was only the second President to be a member of the Reform Party, and the first one in eighteen years. Also, the election of 1984 marked the first time that the Reform Party would have majorities in both the House and the Senate. Senator Jim Folsom Jr. became Majority Leader in the Senate, while Congressman Al Gore of Tennessee became House Leader.


During Baker's first hundred days, he passed a bi-partisn stimulus package, as well as tax breaks for the Middle Class. Also, with Senator Sam Nunn touring the continent, and with World War II dying down, President Baker was able to cut military spending, which made up for the stimulus as well as the tax cuts. In 1987, when World War II finally ended, Baker announced that the Confederacy would be joining the Allied Forces as a full time member, which involved contributing to the Reconstruction of Asia and Europe, a task that the Renewed States would not take part in.

Also, as a result of the end of World War II, the growing atomic freeze movement began to find a voice in Vice-President Nunn, who made visits to members of the Allied Forces in the name of international peace, attempting to convince all countries to forge an "Atomic Freeze Treaty" guaranteeing that they would no longer produce or maintain atomic weapons. Several nations refudiated the treaty, even France. They used the words of RS President Goldwater as their guide: "Maybe if your country had actually been involved in World War II, you wouldn't be so quick to disarm". This was seen as the major failure of the Baker Presidency.

However, even as the AFT failed, Baker's popularity soared as the economy did as well. In 1990, on his way out of office, Baker used his popularity to sign the Continental American Free Trade Pact, CAFTP, which Mexico and Canada both joined. The Constitution Party was incredibly upset at this, given that a large minority of them didn't believe in Free Trade. These protests were led by former Ambassador to the Renewed States Patrick J Buchanan of Maryland, who had worked for the Connally, Agnew, and Tower Administrations. However, the cries of the Constitution Party went unheard as the CAFTP was signed into law. The reason that the Renewed State did not sign into the Pact was that President Goldwater didn't believe that the CAFTP was Free Trade, but Organized Trade.

With his term ending on a fairly high note, Vice-President Sam Nunn was slated to win the Reform nomination while the Constitution nomination was a fight between Conservatives as former Ambassador Buchanan, former Vice-President Lott, and Senator Helms fought. Meanwhile, businessman H Ross Perot of Texas, an ally of Buchanan's on the issue of Free Trade sat back and watched, waiting for his turn to come.
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« Reply #159 on: December 31, 2010, 06:26:10 pm »
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Well, that should satisfy "all y'all" for a couple days.

Next, I'm going back to trying to find suitable candidates for the primaries.
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« Reply #160 on: December 31, 2010, 06:41:23 pm »
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For the record, because I may be presenting the 1990 Progressive Party nomination soon, Mario Cuomo would seem like the best choice for either 1990 or 1995, however, after the Kennedy years, I think that the Progressives would be tired of Catholics.
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The 1990 Progressive Party Nomination

After ten years of being out of the political spotlight, the Progressives were hoping that they would be spared the humiliation of fifteen or more years out of the Whitehouse. Because of that, there would be candidates emerging in order to "save the party" from a more humiliating candidate.

Governor Bob Kerrey of Nebraska
A Progressive with business experience, he had been elected in a tight race in 1985. The one term Governor had chosen to run for the Presidency instead of re-election. His appeal was his slight moderation on economic issues, his war hero status, and his success in a state that had voted nearly straight American Patriot since 1953. Kerrey had been a war hero because of his service in World War II, specifically on the Russo-Chines border wars, where he lost part of his left hand. However, his leg was saved.

Congressman Joe Biden of New Jersey (right)
A one term Congressman who had worked in local politics since the 1970's, and had been New Jersey Minister of Domestic Policy between 1976 and 1981, and Lieutenant Governor between 1981 and 1986. He was popular among blue-collar voters and Catholics.

Governor Mike Gravel of Alaska
A political veteran who had run Alaska since 1982, as well as serving in local politics and being appointed Governor of Alaska under the Rockefeller Administration. He had run before and was seen by some as "yesterday's news", and by others as being vindicated, given that his primary opponent, Walter Mondale, had failed.

Governor Lowell P Weicker of Connecticut
A staunch Progressive with ties to the Rockefellers and experience in a variety of positions, from Legislative to Executive, to foreign policy, Weicker was seen as an experienced candidate, but not a charismatic candidate, and his name recognition was not the best, although well known among pundits and party bosses.



In the primaries, Biden was able to pick up votes in blue-collar areas, Weicker picker up old Mondale territory as well as some new territory, Gravel was trapped in the West, and was weakened by Kerrey's presence, while Kerrey did well among Western farmers.


Dark Green-Biden
Green-Weicker
Light Green-Gravel
Red-Kerrey

With tight primary races, it was difficult to determine who the winner was, and like in 1985, it went to the convention where Weicker, with his connections, was declared the winner. This was seen as a slap in the face of both the growing Western movement, as well as the traditional blue-collar east coast workers who had rallied behind Biden.

Lowell P Weicker, the 1990 Progressive Party nominee for President
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« Reply #162 on: December 31, 2010, 07:50:45 pm »
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Comments, Questions, Critiques, Complaints, Compliments?
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The 1990 Centrist Party Nomination

After good showings in the 1980 and 1985 elections, Centrists believed that without Goldwater leading the way for the American Patriot Party, and with a depressed Progressive Party, they could truly become competitive.

The candidates included two familiar faces, who were known for being popular Governors as well as previous candidates. The others were not so well known.

Governor Jerry Brown of California
A popular Governor who was noted for being eccentric, believed that 1990 would be his years, with over nine years of governing experience under his belt and a previous run, along with name recognition, it seemed that he would be one of the top tier candidates for the nomination.

Governor Bob Casey of Pennsylvania
Also a previous candidate with ten years of governing experience who was popular in his home state, Casey represented the exact opposite of what Brown represented. While Brown was seen primarily as a Libertarian, Casey was a Populist. However, these two politically hard to classify Governors both found a home in the Centrist Party and they were determined to make sure each other didn't take control of the party.

Governor Pierre S "Pete" duPont of Vermont
A member of the prominent duPont family, his family had moved far away from Delaware when the Confederacy took it over, and had settled in the mountainou state of Vermont, where they continued their wealth growth. It was there that Pere began in politics when in 1975 he was elected to Congress, and in 1980 when he was elected to his first term as Governor. While some of his positions were similar to those of Brown, he was more business friendly, and was on better terms with the establishment, the Rockefeller being family friends of his.



With duPont, Brown, and Casey taking away all the air from any other candidates, they remained the three major candidates, each with his own "sphere of influence".


Weird, yellow and green pukey color-Casey
Yellow-duPont
Light Yellow-Brown

The biggest surprise, delivering Casey the nomination, was his victory in the double primary in April of Colorado and Arizona. Brown, who had been leading up to the date of the primary, had taken his leads for granted while duPont and Casey both campaigned hard. Casey eventually became more popular with rural communities while duPont attracted oil-men. With duPont drawing the fiscally Conservative vote away from Brown while Casey worked hard at getting votes from blue-collar workers, it was enough to give Casey wins in both states. With those victories, he became the 1990 Centrist Party nominee for President.

Pennsylvania Governor Bob Casey-the 1990 Centrist nominee
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« Reply #164 on: January 01, 2011, 12:42:20 pm »
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I'm supporting weicker. bu he is the worst candidate progressives could nominate after gravel...
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« Reply #165 on: January 01, 2011, 01:46:55 pm »
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I'm supporting weicker. bu he is the worst candidate progressives could nominate after gravel...

Yes. Biden and Kerrey would do a lot stronger, and trust me, one of them will.
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Casey Wins by Narrow Margin! First Centrist Elected to Presidency!
The campaign had been rough. No one had expected Casey to win. However, with an uninspiring Progressive candidate symbolizing not the emerging spirit of the nineties, but that of the seventies, and a gaff-prone American Patriot nominee who struck more than some people as more than a little crazy, Casey won. Fighting all odds, he worked on attracting blue-collar workers in states on the borders, such as Michigan, Indiana, and Colorado. With Paulappealing to Libertarians and Conservatives only and Weicker struggling to hold together a restless base, Casey won.


Casey-46
Paul-40
Weicker-33


Historically Significant Congressional Races

In New Jersey, Joe Biden was re-elected.

In Nevada, Nevada Minister of Comerce Jeb Bush was elected to Congress.

In New York, lawyer Rudy Giuliani was elected to Congress.

Also in New York, Chuck Schumer was re-elected.

In Iowa Tom Harkin was re-elected.

In Vermont, Bernie Sanders was elected to Congress.

In New York, Congressman Jack Kemp, first elected to Congress in 1970, was elected to a fifth term in Congress.

In California, former Admiral John McCain was elected to Congress.

Historically Significatn Gubernatorial Races

In Arizona, Congressman Dan Quayle was elected.

In Vermont, Howard Dean was elected Governor.

In New York, New York Mayor Andrew Cuomo was elected Governor.
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JulioMadrid's not going to be happy...But he will with the next election.
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What's going on with the south? Do they have the six year term or a Congress?
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JulioMadrid's not going to be happy...But he will with the next election.

at least, paul didn't win Wink. but yes, I'll probably be happier in the next election if you say me that =)
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What's going on with the south? Do they have the six year term or a Congress?

Presidents get six year terms, can only be elected once consecutively, no-one has yet run for a second term.

Congress, Senators have six year terms, elected on off years (President elected on sixty and sixty six, Senators elected on sixty three and sixty nine).

Congressman have three year terms, elected every election.

Governor terms vary between three, two (insane, quirky states), and six.

Each state gets one Senator, and Congressional representation per every 30,000 people. Senators do not count when it comes to awarding electoral votes, thus explaining why Richmond and Delaware only have one.
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What's going on with the south? Do they have the six year term or a Congress?

Presidents get six year terms, can only be elected once consecutively, no-one has yet run for a second term.

Congress, Senators have six year terms, elected on off years (President elected on sixty and sixty six, Senators elected on sixty three and sixty nine).

Congressman have three year terms, elected every election.

Governor terms vary between three, two (insane, quirky states), and six.

Each state gets one Senator, and Congressional representation per every 30,000 people. Senators do not count when it comes to awarding electoral votes, thus explaining why Richmond and Delaware only have one.

Are you going to do a separate tl about the south? Or would you mind if i was to make one?
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« Reply #172 on: January 03, 2011, 07:49:09 pm »
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What's going on with the south? Do they have the six year term or a Congress?

Presidents get six year terms, can only be elected once consecutively, no-one has yet run for a second term.

Congress, Senators have six year terms, elected on off years (President elected on sixty and sixty six, Senators elected on sixty three and sixty nine).

Congressman have three year terms, elected every election.

Governor terms vary between three, two (insane, quirky states), and six.

Each state gets one Senator, and Congressional representation per every 30,000 people. Senators do not count when it comes to awarding electoral votes, thus explaining why Richmond and Delaware only have one.

Are you going to do a separate tl about the south? Or would you mind if i was to make one?

The South actually has its own tl within this tl going, it's just smaller and more low key. There have been three major updates on it. I'm not sure what parts they are, but they're titled "Livin' in the CSA", "God Bless the CSA", and "A Time for Reform".
The Presidents so far have been:
1. Richard Russell (Independent-GA) 1945-1955
2. Strom Thurmond (Constitution-SC)/Richard Russell (Constitution-GA) 1955-1961)
3. Lyndon B Johnson (Reform-TX)/Estes Kefauver (Reform-TN) 1961-1967
4. George Wallace (Constitution-AL)/Robert Byrd (Constitution-WV) 1967-1973
5. John Connally (Constitution-TX)/Spiro T Agnew (Constitution-MD) 1973-1979
6. Spiro T Agnew (Constitution-MD)/John Tower (Constitution-TX) 1979-1981
7. John Tower (Constitution-TX)/Trent Lott (Constitution-MO) 1981-1985
8. Howard Baker (Reform-TN)/Sam Nunn (Reform-GA) 1985-Current Date

However, you're welcom to make your own alternate version of the South and the new confederacy if you want. Smiley
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« Reply #173 on: January 03, 2011, 08:42:49 pm »
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What's going on with the south? Do they have the six year term or a Congress?

Presidents get six year terms, can only be elected once consecutively, no-one has yet run for a second term.

Congress, Senators have six year terms, elected on off years (President elected on sixty and sixty six, Senators elected on sixty three and sixty nine).

Congressman have three year terms, elected every election.

Governor terms vary between three, two (insane, quirky states), and six.

Each state gets one Senator, and Congressional representation per every 30,000 people. Senators do not count when it comes to awarding electoral votes, thus explaining why Richmond and Delaware only have one.

Are you going to do a separate tl about the south? Or would you mind if i was to make one?

The South actually has its own tl within this tl going, it's just smaller and more low key. There have been three major updates on it. I'm not sure what parts they are, but they're titled "Livin' in the CSA", "God Bless the CSA", and "A Time for Reform".
The Presidents so far have been:
1. Richard Russell (Independent-GA) 1945-1955
2. Strom Thurmond (Constitution-SC)/Richard Russell (Constitution-GA) 1955-1961)
3. Lyndon B Johnson (Reform-TX)/Estes Kefauver (Reform-TN) 1961-1967
4. George Wallace (Constitution-AL)/Robert Byrd (Constitution-WV) 1967-1973
5. John Connally (Constitution-TX)/Spiro T Agnew (Constitution-MD) 1973-1979
6. Spiro T Agnew (Constitution-MD)/John Tower (Constitution-TX) 1979-1981
7. John Tower (Constitution-TX)/Trent Lott (Constitution-MO) 1981-1985
8. Howard Baker (Reform-TN)/Sam Nunn (Reform-GA) 1985-Current Date

However, you're welcom to make your own alternate version of the South and the new confederacy if you want. Smiley

Oh, okay. thanks Smiley
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« Reply #174 on: January 08, 2011, 11:11:07 pm »
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Shameless Bump. I pretty much have Casey's first term planned out, I just need to take the time to write it down.
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