A Deal for Obama

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Obama appears desperate to make a deal which includes permanently extended Bush tax cuts for those families making <250k and extended for two years the tax cuts for those making >250k

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40150244/ns/politics-white_house/

Looks like the GOP might be able to force his Obama into extending the tax cuts for all income brackets.  If no deal is struck in the lame duck session, the GOP will be in the drivers' seat Jan 3 2011 - H.R. 1 will be reserved for extending the tax increases and the Dems can not afford to have the Senate block or Obama to veto the bill.

The GOP needs to go for it all.

Something inside of me really wants him to just say "the heck with it" and let ALL of the Bush tax breaks expire, then brag about making tough choices to cut the deficit.  Brag that our tax rates are still among the lowest in the developed world, by a mile.  He needs to attack that taxes always = bad meme head on to create needed ideological daylight between him and the House GOP.  It would also avert any left wing primary challenges in 2012.         

Taxes ARE always bad. It's not a meme.

[Skill and Chance]

Obama appears desperate to make a deal which includes permanently extended Bush tax cuts for those families making <250k and extended for two years the tax cuts for those making >250k

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40150244/ns/politics-white_house/

Looks like the GOP might be able to force his Obama into extending the tax cuts for all income brackets.  If no deal is struck in the lame duck session, the GOP will be in the drivers' seat Jan 3 2011 - H.R. 1 will be reserved for extending the tax increases and the Dems can not afford to have the Senate block or Obama to veto the bill.

The GOP needs to go for it all.

Something inside of me really wants him to just say "the heck with it" and let ALL of the Bush tax breaks expire, then brag about making tough choices to cut the deficit.  Brag that our tax rates are still among the lowest in the developed world, by a mile.  He needs to attack that taxes always = bad meme head on to create needed ideological daylight between him and the House GOP.  It would also avert any left wing primary challenges in 2012.         

Taxes ARE always bad. It's not a meme.

No, not always:

1. Taxes to fund public infrastructure se also: roads, utilities, waterways, electrical grids, sewage treatment plants, public education, national parks etc- in almost all cases no rational individual or subgroup of individuals will actually build/establish these things because they know that they will accrueo only a tiny fraction of the benefits

2. Taxes to correct market externalities and tariffs on foreign trade with nations that do not recognize these externalities- see also antitrust regulations, Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, courts to protect entrepreneurs against patent/copyright infringement, climate change legislation, etc.

3. Taxes and regulation to avoid excessive exploitation of common resources: creating National Parks, hunting fishing permits, waste disposal permits, gasoline taxes for the upkeep of infrastructure, etc.

4. Taxes to facilitate equal opportunity and negative rights by ensuring equal access to some basic goods and services to everyone in society: Social Security, Medicare, Civil Rights regulations, Medicaid, Health Care Reform (debateable, but this is the premise under which it is justified), TANF, SCHIP, ADA, public education again,  etc.

Very few sensible people would dispute the economic benefits arising from #1-3.  Some may think that #2 has been taken too far in recent years, but to deny the existence of externalities altogether, especially environmental ones, belies a pitiful understanding of modern economics.  A number of people will say that #4 could be left to private charities, but few would want to return to the income inequality of the late 19th century, which was the last time in American history that these functions were left to private charities, who, like it or not, were overwhelmed by the scale of need and urban poverty in the emerging industrial society.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Obama appears desperate to make a deal which includes permanently extended Bush tax cuts for those families making <250k and extended for two years the tax cuts for those making >250k

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40150244/ns/politics-white_house/

Looks like the GOP might be able to force his Obama into extending the tax cuts for all income brackets.  If no deal is struck in the lame duck session, the GOP will be in the drivers' seat Jan 3 2011 - H.R. 1 will be reserved for extending the tax increases and the Dems can not afford to have the Senate block or Obama to veto the bill.

The GOP needs to go for it all.

Something inside of me really wants him to just say "the heck with it" and let ALL of the Bush tax breaks expire, then brag about making tough choices to cut the deficit.  Brag that our tax rates are still among the lowest in the developed world, by a mile.  He needs to attack that taxes always = bad meme head on to create needed ideological daylight between him and the House GOP.  It would also avert any left wing primary challenges in 2012.         

Taxes ARE always bad. It's not a meme.

No, not always:

1. Taxes to fund public infrastructure se also: roads, utilities, waterways, electrical grids, sewage treatment plants, public education, national parks etc- in almost all cases no rational individual or subgroup of individuals will actually build/establish these things because they know that they will accrueo only a tiny fraction of the benefits

People will voluntarily fund their construction. Taxes are unnecessary.

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None of those things are desirable.

And you don't need taxes to have clean air and water.

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See above.

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All of those programs should abolished along with the State that implemented them.

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None of the supposed benefits you speak of are really made possible by taxes. But even if they were, it's irrelevant. Taxes are ARMED ROBBERY. The State is a gang of criminal thugs, a mafia demanding its protection money under threat of violence. There is NEVER any justification for theft/taxation.

[Skill and Chance]

Obama appears desperate to make a deal which includes permanently extended Bush tax cuts for those families making <250k and extended for two years the tax cuts for those making >250k

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40150244/ns/politics-white_house/

Looks like the GOP might be able to force his Obama into extending the tax cuts for all income brackets.  If no deal is struck in the lame duck session, the GOP will be in the drivers' seat Jan 3 2011 - H.R. 1 will be reserved for extending the tax increases and the Dems can not afford to have the Senate block or Obama to veto the bill.

The GOP needs to go for it all.

Something inside of me really wants him to just say "the heck with it" and let ALL of the Bush tax breaks expire, then brag about making tough choices to cut the deficit.  Brag that our tax rates are still among the lowest in the developed world, by a mile.  He needs to attack that taxes always = bad meme head on to create needed ideological daylight between him and the House GOP.  It would also avert any left wing primary challenges in 2012.         

Taxes ARE always bad. It's not a meme.

No, not always:

1. Taxes to fund public infrastructure se also: roads, utilities, waterways, electrical grids, sewage treatment plants, public education, national parks etc- in almost all cases no rational individual or subgroup of individuals will actually build/establish these things because they know that they will accrueo only a tiny fraction of the benefits

People will voluntarily fund their construction. Taxes are unnecessary.

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None of those things are desirable.

And you don't need taxes to have clean air and water.

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See above.

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All of those programs should abolished along with the State that implemented them.

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None of the supposed benefits you speak of are really made possible by taxes. But even if they were, it's irrelevant. Taxes are ARMED ROBBERY. The State is a gang of criminal thugs, a mafia demanding its protection money under threat of violence. There is NEVER any justification for theft/taxation.

You're insane.

There would be a heck of a lot more armed robbery going on if there was no government whatsoever.  Your average millionaire would probably be better off paying Swedish taxes than trying to defend their property, resources, etc. from uncontrollable armed mobs of poorer people roaming the countryside.  If you don't believe me, you're welcome to move to Somalia.  There's no taxes there!  Just don't be surprised if you end up with less than 10% of the property you had when you arrived, because it has all been stolen from you.

Furthermore, you are assume a priori that the initial distribution of wealth in society is inherently just or fair without giving any evidence whatsoever as to why we should believe this.  A lot of people accumulate wealth by being innovative geniuses or skilled businessmen, but plenty of other people are wealthy because they took advantage of others in less fortunate circumstances, because they are themselves criminals,  or simply by accident of birth.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Obama appears desperate to make a deal which includes permanently extended Bush tax cuts for those families making <250k and extended for two years the tax cuts for those making >250k

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40150244/ns/politics-white_house/

Looks like the GOP might be able to force his Obama into extending the tax cuts for all income brackets.  If no deal is struck in the lame duck session, the GOP will be in the drivers' seat Jan 3 2011 - H.R. 1 will be reserved for extending the tax increases and the Dems can not afford to have the Senate block or Obama to veto the bill.

The GOP needs to go for it all.

Something inside of me really wants him to just say "the heck with it" and let ALL of the Bush tax breaks expire, then brag about making tough choices to cut the deficit.  Brag that our tax rates are still among the lowest in the developed world, by a mile.  He needs to attack that taxes always = bad meme head on to create needed ideological daylight between him and the House GOP.  It would also avert any left wing primary challenges in 2012.         

Taxes ARE always bad. It's not a meme.

No, not always:

1. Taxes to fund public infrastructure se also: roads, utilities, waterways, electrical grids, sewage treatment plants, public education, national parks etc- in almost all cases no rational individual or subgroup of individuals will actually build/establish these things because they know that they will accrueo only a tiny fraction of the benefits

People will voluntarily fund their construction. Taxes are unnecessary.

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None of those things are desirable.

And you don't need taxes to have clean air and water.

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See above.

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All of those programs should abolished along with the State that implemented them.

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None of the supposed benefits you speak of are really made possible by taxes. But even if they were, it's irrelevant. Taxes are ARMED ROBBERY. The State is a gang of criminal thugs, a mafia demanding its protection money under threat of violence. There is NEVER any justification for theft/taxation.

You're insane.

I'm insane because I'm not a sociopath, which is what one would have to be in order to justify the armed robbery of the State?

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This ramble doesn't even make sense.

[Skill and Chance]

No collective authority = no way to punish thieves and murderers.  It means that each individual shoulders the entire burden of defending his or her own property against God only knows what kind of lawlessness.

[Badger]

You're insane.

Sums it up, S&C.  Best to just walk away....

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

let's not post any more commentary from David Frum.  he obviously know little about what is going on.