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« on: November 03, 2010, 07:35:02 PM »

Just because he's pro choice doesn't mean he's a Libertarian. I personally think that "Libertarian" is more than just "Fiscally Conservative, Socially Liberal", I think it involves more of amindset coupled with political positions than just political positions. Take Gary Johnson vs. one of the Rockefeller Republicans (Snowe, Brown, Collins); though they might all be under the banner of "fiscally conservative, socially liberal", there's only one of those four that I would call "Libertarian".
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2010, 08:34:08 PM »

But now what's left of the Tea Party will have to "recruit" candidates.  And the candidates they "recruit" will all resemble Marco Rubio or Pat Toomey or Ron Johnson, and therefore won't even be worth a glance.

Why do you think that the Tea Party can only be confined to Libertarians? From what I know, its central issues are economic stances, such as repeal of Obamacare, and lower taxes. Libertarians and Cosnervatives alike should be able to unify on those things, and who's to say if you disagree outside of that?
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2010, 08:51:06 PM »

But now what's left of the Tea Party will have to "recruit" candidates.  And the candidates they "recruit" will all resemble Marco Rubio or Pat Toomey or Ron Johnson, and therefore won't even be worth a glance.

Why do you think that the Tea Party can only be confined to Libertarians? From what I know, its central issues are economic stances, such as repeal of Obamacare, and lower taxes. Libertarians and Cosnervatives alike should be able to unify on those things, and who's to say if you disagree outside of that?

It depends on whether you are talking about real conservatives or neo"conservatives".

Just because I happen to think that America has enemies does not mean I'm not "conservative" enough. Just because I support a strong national defense and believe in protecting the life of the unborn does not mean I'm a "moderate".
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2010, 08:56:24 PM »

But now what's left of the Tea Party will have to "recruit" candidates.  And the candidates they "recruit" will all resemble Marco Rubio or Pat Toomey or Ron Johnson, and therefore won't even be worth a glance.

Why do you think that the Tea Party can only be confined to Libertarians? From what I know, its central issues are economic stances, such as repeal of Obamacare, and lower taxes. Libertarians and Cosnervatives alike should be able to unify on those things, and who's to say if you disagree outside of that?

It depends on whether you are talking about real conservatives or neo"conservatives".

Just because I happen to think that America has enemies does not mean I'm not "conservative" enough. Just because I support a strong national defense and believe in protecting the life of the unborn does not mean I'm a "moderate".

It's impossible to be a real conservative and support George W. Bush's policies.

If you're talking about domestic policy (weak on illegal immigration, supported bail outs, huge deficits), I don't.

If you're talking foreign policy, the fact is that there are people who do not like the United States (crazy, right?), and they are willing to murder thousands to bring about their Jihad. How are we to react? Sit on our hands and say we're sorry for offering humanitarian aide and trying to fight the Soviet Union (USSR: reference to 1980's, not now, so don't spin that comment)?
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2010, 03:06:41 PM »

But now what's left of the Tea Party will have to "recruit" candidates.  And the candidates they "recruit" will all resemble Marco Rubio or Pat Toomey or Ron Johnson, and therefore won't even be worth a glance.

Why do you think that the Tea Party can only be confined to Libertarians? From what I know, its central issues are economic stances, such as repeal of Obamacare, and lower taxes. Libertarians and Cosnervatives alike should be able to unify on those things, and who's to say if you disagree outside of that?

It depends on whether you are talking about real conservatives or neo"conservatives".

Just because I happen to think that America has enemies does not mean I'm not "conservative" enough. Just because I support a strong national defense and believe in protecting the life of the unborn does not mean I'm a "moderate".

It's impossible to be a real conservative and support George W. Bush's policies.

If you're talking about domestic policy (weak on illegal immigration, supported bail outs, huge deficits), I don't.

If you're talking foreign policy, the fact is that there are people who do not like the United States (crazy, right?), and they are willing to murder thousands to bring about their Jihad. How are we to react? Sit on our hands and say we're sorry for offering humanitarian aide and trying to fight the Soviet Union (USSR: reference to 1980's, not now, so don't spin that comment)?
The fact is that that is a nonsensical scenario with no basis in reality.

The idea that there are people that want to destroy the US has no basis in reality?

Why do Libertarians believe that America's only enemies are self made? Is it impossible to accept that there are some radicals out there?
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2010, 08:48:45 PM »

But now what's left of the Tea Party will have to "recruit" candidates.  And the candidates they "recruit" will all resemble Marco Rubio or Pat Toomey or Ron Johnson, and therefore won't even be worth a glance.

Why do you think that the Tea Party can only be confined to Libertarians? From what I know, its central issues are economic stances, such as repeal of Obamacare, and lower taxes. Libertarians and Cosnervatives alike should be able to unify on those things, and who's to say if you disagree outside of that?

It depends on whether you are talking about real conservatives or neo"conservatives".

Just because I happen to think that America has enemies does not mean I'm not "conservative" enough. Just because I support a strong national defense and believe in protecting the life of the unborn does not mean I'm a "moderate".

It's impossible to be a real conservative and support George W. Bush's policies.

If you're talking about domestic policy (weak on illegal immigration, supported bail outs, huge deficits), I don't.

If you're talking foreign policy, the fact is that there are people who do not like the United States (crazy, right?), and they are willing to murder thousands to bring about their Jihad. How are we to react? Sit on our hands and say we're sorry for offering humanitarian aide and trying to fight the Soviet Union (USSR: reference to 1980's, not now, so don't spin that comment)?
The fact is that that is a nonsensical scenario with no basis in reality.

The idea that there are people that want to destroy the US has no basis in reality?

Why do Libertarians believe that America's only enemies are self made? Is it impossible to accept that there are some radicals out there?

     There are plenty of radicals out there. It just so happens that those radicals are fixated on us primarily because of the actions undertaken by the American government.

From what I've read about how the culture over there works, is that Jihadists are most likely to attack the enemy that appears the weakest. I personally believe that the 9/11 attack was the result of the '90's' amount of smaller terrorist attacks, and Clinton only bothering to use a couple of cruise missiles to stop Osama. The point is that Clinton didn't do that much to battle Al Qaida, and because of that, they believed that they could continually go further. My theory is that since the War on Terror began, they're more concentrated on fighting the US than bombing the US, and that now the cycle of the '90's is beginnign to repeat, with recent terrorist attack wanna-be's such as the "underwear bomber", and that is those attacks continue, then we'll face a 9/11 type attack in the future.
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2010, 08:52:39 PM »

No.  He is pro-choice.  He doesn't think gay people are evil, so he would get kicked out of the tea party.

You just love stereotypes, don't you?
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