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« on: August 15, 2015, 11:27:37 pm »
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Defend Our Gorgeous Environment (DOME) Act
1. The Northeast Department of Transportation is charged with defining, updating, and enforcing emissions tests and classes for all vehicles registered in the Northeast Region, with the results displayed by colored windshield stickers.
2. Northeast municipalities shall have the power to restrict traffic based on these emissions classes in any part or the entirety of their area.
3. Littering, vandalism, and related crimes, when committed within a Regional or National Park or any other such protected area in the Northeast Region, shall carry an additional fine of up to $25,000.
4. The Northeast Government shall allocate $2.5 billion for the purchase and restoration of additional nature reserves.

sponsor: evergreen
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2015, 11:35:09 pm »
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the issues facing our environment are the most important, far-reaching issues of our time. obviously this bill isn't nearly enough, but i think it's about as big of a small step as our regional government has power for.
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2015, 04:27:55 pm »
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Just a housekeeping detail, you may wish to rename the bill

Defend Our Magnificent Environment (DOME) Act

so you have the D the O the M and the E.

I can agree with points 3 and 4 of the bill, however, points 1 and 2 are way overkill.

Point 1 would be impossible to complete and point 2 restricting traffic is simply not feasible, practical, or enforceable. 
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2015, 09:14:15 pm »
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Generally, I like this. Section 2 should mesh well with a congestion pricing plan which we passed a few months ago. I would like a lower fin for Section 3 though, since while I do think the environment should be protected with the itmost importantce, people can be deincentivized from littering with fines far less than $25K.
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2015, 12:13:21 am »
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- the title is intended as written
- i might be persuaded to support amendments suggested by winfield and pikachu, depending on how far they go
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2015, 09:44:46 am »
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I agree we certainly cannot go around issuing $25,000.00 fines because someone drops a gum wrapper on the ground.

Most of this bill is way overkill and completely impractical.

I will not support it in its' present form.
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2015, 12:21:06 pm »
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Maybe what could work is a fine system that's based more on specific offenses? Like I'm pretty sure minor littering can be dis-incentivized with a fine probably below $1000, while something more serious, like using a park as a dumping ground for industrial waste can incur the full $25K (or more).
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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2015, 01:55:47 pm »
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there's a reason i wrote "up to $25,000". i think we can trust our justice system not to drop the maximum fine on someone who accidentally dropped a gum wrapper. :p
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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2015, 03:06:49 pm »
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Yes I realize that, but I don't want some tree hugging judge imposing his own radical eco vengeance on some poor guy with a wife and three small kids to support because he accidentally left a pair of baby shoes at the campsite, messing up the environment.
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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2015, 03:09:10 pm »
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Yes I realize that, but I don't want some tree hugging judge imposing his own radical eco vengeance on some poor guy with a wife and three small kids to support because he accidentally left a pair of baby shoes at the campsite, messing up the environment.
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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2015, 03:20:04 pm »
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2015, 07:18:01 pm »
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with all due respect, i think that's needless fearmongering
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2015, 09:44:33 pm »
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The fines structure needs more clarification.

Up to $25,000.00 is very vague.
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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2015, 10:08:45 pm »
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amendment:
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Defend Our Gorgeous Environment (DOME) Act
1. The Northeast Department of Transportation is charged with defining, updating, and enforcing emissions tests and classes for all vehicles registered in the Northeast Region, with the results displayed by colored windshield stickers.
2. Northeast municipalities shall have the power to restrict traffic based on these emissions classes in any part or the entirety of their area.
3. Littering, vandalism, and related crimes, when committed within a Regional or National Park or any other such protected area in the Northeast Region, shall carry an additional fine of up to $25,000 if it substantially affects the environment, or up to $500 if it does not.
4. The Northeast Government shall allocate $2.5 billion for the purchase and restoration of additional nature reserves.

and i'm gonna extend debate on this.

representative winfield, does this adequately address your concern?
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2015, 09:43:23 am »
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Defend Our Gorgeous Environment (DOME) Act
1. The Northeast Department of Transportation is charged with defining, updating, and enforcing emissions tests and classes for all vehicles registered in the Northeast Region, with the results displayed by colored windshield stickers.
2. Northeast municipalities shall have the power to restrict traffic based on these emissions classes in any part or the entirety of their area.
3. Littering, vandalism, and related crimes, when committed within a Regional or National Park or any other such protected area in the Northeast Region, shall carry an additional fine of up to $25,000 if it substantially affects the environment, or up to $500 if it does not.
4. The Northeast Government shall allocate $2.5 billion for the purchase and restoration of additional nature reserves.

and i'm gonna extend debate on this.

representative winfield, does this adequately address your concern?

Thank you.

But I will not be voting in favor of this bill.

Restricting traffic is simply not on the radar for me.  It would have the effect of hampering business and commerce in the region, having a negative effect on the economy.

If someone gets the wrong color sticker, what are they supposed to do, buy a new automobile?  No, not practical, most people simply do not have the money to get a more fuel efficient automobile.

The fines proposal is subjective, and open to interpretation.

I simply do not see this bill as being feasible, practical, or enforceable.
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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2015, 12:49:32 pm »
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I feel more comfortable with the bill due to the amendment.

On restricting traffic, I beleive the key, which evergreen has addressed, is that regulation should lie with local municipalities, and they can figure what works best for them.
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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2015, 09:41:55 pm »
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i think, again, there's gonna be enough self-moderation on the part of municipalities. it'd be economically suicidal to close off whole cities.
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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2015, 09:58:54 pm »
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Defend Our Gorgeous Environment (DOME) Act
1. The Northeast Department of Transportation is charged with defining, updating, and enforcing emissions tests and classes for all vehicles registered in the Northeast Region, with the results displayed by colored windshield stickers.
2. Northeast municipalities shall have the power to restrict traffic based on these emissions classes in any part or the entirety of their area.
3. Littering, vandalism, and related crimes, when committed within a Regional or National Park or any other such protected area in the Northeast Region, shall carry an additional fine of up to $25,000 if it substantially affects the environment, or up to $500 if it does not.
4. The Northeast Government shall allocate $2.5 billion for the purchase and restoration of additional nature reserves.
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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2015, 10:05:58 pm »
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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2015, 09:53:12 am »
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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2015, 10:12:14 am »
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« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2015, 03:58:53 pm »
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« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2015, 04:32:27 pm »
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Yes.
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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2015, 05:47:37 pm »
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the bill fails 2-3
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