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Queen Mum Inks.LWC
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« on: November 18, 2010, 02:41:30 PM »
I don't see the reasoning for the second sentence of the definition of firearm.  Because it then sets no restrictions on possessing a loaded or working firearm.  This statute would only apply to non-functioning firearms that are loaded.

I think we need to chane felon to violent fellon.

I oppose sections 6 and 7.
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2010, 03:36:51 PM »
I see what you intended to do now, but the way I interpreted this:

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was that you meant "In order to be considered a firearm, the firearm cannot be loaded or operable".  I think we need to change the wording, otherwise it has the opposite effect of your intent.

I'll compromise on the shotguns; however, I will not budge on limiting the felons.  We can use a different word than "violent," but the way it's written now is not acceptable to me.
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2010, 07:04:45 PM »
Well, speeding ticket isn't a felony, but I agree with you on the principle.
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2010, 07:40:08 PM »
How's this:

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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2010, 11:43:00 PM »
Quote from: Junkie on November 18, 2010, 07:43:15 PM
I would still like to include that a non-functioning firearm still counts, and that the firearm does not have to be loaded.  It might sound stupid, but if it is in the statute, it will be in the jury instructions and thus prevent those defenses at trial.

I see no way that a defense could use the argument that a gun wasn't loaded and thus didn't have to be registered.  This statute does not address that at all, and it's clear that anything manufactured to be a firearm is to be considered a firearm.
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2010, 11:52:16 PM »
« Edited: November 19, 2010, 12:01:56 AM by Maybe I Am Diego »
I would like to introduce the following amendment:

To section 1.)a., the following shall be added:

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In section 4.)a., the word "violent" shall be added before the word "felony".

In section 4.)b., the word "violent" shall be added before the word "felony".

In section 4.)c., the word "violent" shall be added before the word "felony".
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2010, 12:02:08 AM »
Fixed one typo... should be good to go now.
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2010, 06:05:21 PM »
We can add theft and drug crimes if you want.  But I am not going to vote for something that punishes all felons.
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2010, 01:21:17 PM »
Anybody else have input?
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2010, 02:03:17 PM »
A problem with the theft is we again can get into white collar crime.  I'll do drugs.  I'm hesitant about theft.
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2010, 02:33:17 PM »
Is everybody good with motor vehicle theft and burglary?
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2010, 04:02:27 PM »
Well, are we good with any felonies related to controlled substances?
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2010, 11:18:06 AM »
Quote from: Junkie on November 22, 2010, 08:15:38 AM
Rather than labeling them "violent" we could just come up with a list of felonies that being convicted of would trigger the Felon in Possession subsection.

Yes... in fact I was planning on doing that.

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Add drug crimes.  I really don't care if child porn people are on there... but those types of people are pure scum anyway.
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2010, 05:03:40 PM »
So... we're all good with child porn and child enticement?
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2010, 05:18:28 PM »
« Edited: November 22, 2010, 05:52:19 PM by Assemblyman & Queen Mum Inks.LWC »
Let's try this one more time...

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In section 4.)a., the word "specified" shall be added before the word "felony".

In section 4.)b., the word "specified" shall be added before the word "felony".

In section 4.)c., the word "specified" shall be added before the word "felony".
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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2010, 05:52:43 PM »
Quote from: Speaker of the Mideast Assembly A-Bob on November 22, 2010, 05:35:14 PM
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So the government still would have the power than to deny firearms for other felonies not specified then with this language correct? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose?

Edited.... that was my intent... that if we missed a violent felony, it wouldn't be a legit excuse.

I think that should be good.
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2010, 08:59:22 PM »
AYE
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« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2010, 12:41:27 PM »
Can we move forward with this?  We've got just under 2 days...
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« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2010, 08:08:01 PM »
We've got until Friday at noon... how are you expecting to get this passed with more amendments?  I suggest we either vote on it as is, and fix it next session... or let's just head out early for the holiday.
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« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2010, 12:51:53 AM »
Sorry, I thought we already voted on this to fix the firearm definition.

I hereby introduce this amendment to whatever the clause is that defines a firearm:

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« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2010, 01:14:59 AM »
AYE
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« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2010, 03:46:41 AM »

Why are you voting against this?  This fixes the problem with your initial definition.  Anything ever built to be a firearm, whether it's loaded or unloaded, functional or unfunctional is covered under this definition.
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Queen Mum Inks.LWC
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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2010, 11:32:23 PM »
Of course it accounts for inoperable or unloaded firearms.  But if you have an amendment that you have, we can go through that once the new session starts.
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Queen Mum Inks.LWC
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« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2010, 09:23:52 PM »
Not even weapons that can fire, but were designed to fire... so even if they are broken, it's still covered.
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« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2010, 06:02:21 PM »
Is there an up-to-date version of this, so that in can be reintroduced?
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