MA: The Taxing Abortion Act (Tabled)

[California8429]

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Sponsor: Governor tmthforu94

[RIP Robert H Bork]

Can a governor sponsor/introduce a bill? IMO, it can only be done by an assemblymember (but he can indicate that it's done on the governor's behalf).

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I have decided to vote against this bill, no matter what.  Badger makes a good point in noting that that all this bill does is making it infinitely harder for a woman to obtain an abortion, and I will not go along with that.

[California8429]

Can a governor sponsor/introduce a bill? IMO, it can only be done by an assemblymember (but he can indicate that it's done on the governor's behalf).

Yes, it's in the Constitution

[California8429]

I have decided to vote against this bill, no matter what.  Badger makes a good point in noting that that all this bill does is making it infinitely harder for a woman to obtain an abortion, and I will not go along with that.

I'm against it at the moment, but for drastically different reasons. Promoting unsafe abortions is not the solutions to limiting and reduces abortions.

I think if we want a bill to help reduce abortions we should put something together where there's tax deductions for child care, medical care as well as discouraging pre-martial and especially young sex. Not sure how we'd do that but that is the root of the problem.

[Bacon King]

This would accomplish nothing. Who wouldn't just travel to an adjacent region? Abortions aren't something decided upon lightly; a woman who has decided to get one isn't in any way going to think "oh, I'll have to drive a few hours, nevermind then."

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I think if we want a bill to help reduce abortions we should put something together where there's tax deductions for child care, medical care as well as discouraging pre-martial and especially young sex. Not sure how we'd do that but that is the root of the problem.

I could get behind a bill like that.

[California8429]

I think if we want a bill to help reduce abortions we should put something together where there's tax deductions for child care, medical care as well as discouraging pre-martial and especially young sex. Not sure how we'd do that but that is the root of the problem.

I could get behind a bill like that.

Also maybe pull in some Mitch Daniels ideas with really pounding fathers who leave the kid and mother and don't pay child support payments or help at all. This shouldn't be a one person job at all, especially in unfortunate situations with young people.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I think if we want a bill to help reduce abortions we should put something together where there's tax deductions for child care, medical care as well as discouraging pre-martial and especially young sex. Not sure how we'd do that but that is the root of the problem.

I could get behind a bill like that.

Also maybe pull in some Mitch Daniels ideas with really pounding fathers who leave the kid and mother and don't pay child support payments or help at all. This shouldn't be a one person job at all, especially in unfortunate situations with young people.

I'm on board with both of these.

[California8429]

The question is should we start over or amend the crap outa this?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Let's start over... we'll come up with a new name and everything.  Did you have a bill in mind, or I could draft something...?

[tmthforu94]

As I said before, I'm perfectly open to cutting this up. My objective was to get something accomplished in discouraging abortions. This was the way I thought of, but I've heard excellent ideas from both sides on the matter that I'd be willing to get behind.

[California8429]

Let's start over... we'll come up with a new name and everything.  Did you have a bill in mind, or I could draft something...?

I just had those ideas to throw in the bill, but no bill in mind. If you could wrap all of what we've said together that would be good.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I'll do that tomorrow or this weekend then.

[California8429]

I'll bring up a vote to Table this bill then since we'll have a completly new one (same subject) soon.

Voting is now open to table "The Taxing Abortion Act". Voting will last for 24 or until every member has voted. (Just to speed up the process since we'll be coming back to this very soon). Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

[California8429]

Aye

[Junkie]

Aye

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

AYE

[RIP Robert H Bork]

Abstain

I have decided to vote against this bill, no matter what.  Badger makes a good point in noting that that all this bill does is making it infinitely harder for a woman to obtain an abortion, and I will not go along with that.

That's precisely what we ought to be doing!

(I probably wouldn't support the bill, however)

[Junkie]

Abstain

I have decided to vote against this bill, no matter what.  Badger makes a good point in noting that that all this bill does is making it infinitely harder for a woman to obtain an abortion, and I will not go along with that.

That's precisely what we ought to be doing!

(I probably wouldn't support the bill, however)

I disagree.  We should be trying to minimize the need for abortions, not trying to make it hard to get one.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

On the motion to table: AYE

[California8429]

The bill has ben tabled

Aye-4
Nay-0
Abstain-1

[RIP Robert H Bork]

Abstain

I have decided to vote against this bill, no matter what.  Badger makes a good point in noting that that all this bill does is making it infinitely harder for a woman to obtain an abortion, and I will not go along with that.

That's precisely what we ought to be doing!

(I probably wouldn't support the bill, however)

I disagree.  We should be trying to minimize the need for abortions, not trying to make it hard to get one.

those two things aren't mutually exclusive, you know.