World Cup 2018 and 2022: Site Selection

[NewYorkExpress]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/qatar-2022-world-cup-sepp-3041856#.Ut2UjxAo7IU

Jerome Champagne has stated that he intends to run for the FIFA presidency in 2015, and forsees a scenario in which Qatar is stripped of the 2022 World Cup.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Hopefully this criminal decision can be overturned and America (or Australia, even) be given the 2022 cup. If not, UEFA and CONMEBOL can and should boycott.

[Platypus]

Actually, if the Europeans and South Americans are boycotting, I like Australia's chances of making the quarters or better, so...

Mexico-USA-Japan-South Korea-maybe by then China-Nigeria-Ghana-another couple of African countries that are peaking at the time...

But in short, the tournament can't be stripped now. They've started building and the legal fees would be insanely high for FIFA.

It should never have been awarded, it should have been stripped the second they applied to change things up in terms of the timing, it should have been stripped the second corruption was exposed, but it can't be stripped if it's just because FIFA has a new President.

[Platypus]

Also the AFC would go batsh**t if it was stripped from Qatar, and doubly batsh**t if it was taken outside of Western Asia and triply batsh**t if it was taken outside of the AFC.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Also the AFC would go batsh**t if it was stripped from Qatar, and doubly batsh**t if it was taken outside of Western Asia and triply batsh**t if it was taken outside of the AFC.

Who cares? Literally one AFC member has made it to a World Cup semifinal, and they were hosting!

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I don't think you understand how sports politics works.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

I don't think you understand how sports politics works.

I don't pretend to, but I can safely assume that said realm is petty and awful.

[Keystone Phil]

Also the AFC would go batsh**t if it was stripped from Qatar, and doubly batsh**t if it was taken outside of Western Asia and triply batsh**t if it was taken outside of the AFC.

Who cares? Literally one AFC member has made it to a World Cup semifinal, and they were hosting!

"...and they were hosting/cheating!" is what you meant.

Sadly, this won't be reversed. Listen, we all know the U.S. is the country that deserves to host the 2022 tournament but it just isn't going to happen at this point.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Also the AFC would go batsh**t if it was stripped from Qatar, and doubly batsh**t if it was taken outside of Western Asia and triply batsh**t if it was taken outside of the AFC.

Who cares? Literally one AFC member has made it to a World Cup semifinal, and they were hosting!

"...and they were hosting/cheating!" is what you meant.

Sadly, this won't be reversed. Listen, we all know the U.S. is the country that deserves to host the 2022 tournament but it just isn't going to happen at this point.

Yeah, the fact that there hasn't even been discussion of pulling it after the slave labor revelations shows nothing will be done about it. Best that all the relevant teams boycott and we can pretend it never happened.

[Keystone Phil]

Also the AFC would go batsh**t if it was stripped from Qatar, and doubly batsh**t if it was taken outside of Western Asia and triply batsh**t if it was taken outside of the AFC.

Who cares? Literally one AFC member has made it to a World Cup semifinal, and they were hosting!

"...and they were hosting/cheating!" is what you meant.

Sadly, this won't be reversed. Listen, we all know the U.S. is the country that deserves to host the 2022 tournament but it just isn't going to happen at this point.

Yeah, the fact that there hasn't even been discussion of pulling it after the slave labor revelations shows nothing will be done about it. Best that all the relevant teams boycott and we can pretend it never happened.

Well, no, only because I don't want to go eight years between World Cups. Of course, if Italy performs horribly (a la 2010) I will immediately say it was one of the worst tournaments that we should discredit (just like 2002 and 2010 which were undoubtably horrible).

[Franknburger]

Well, no, only because I don't want to go eight years between World Cups. Of course, if Italy performs horribly (a la 2010) I will immediately say it was one of the worst tournaments that we should discredit (just like 2002 and 2010 which were undoubtably horrible).

I would actually have preferred Italy to have skipped 2006 (or just have called it a day after 90 minutes) ...

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Also the AFC would go batsh**t if it was stripped from Qatar, and doubly batsh**t if it was taken outside of Western Asia and triply batsh**t if it was taken outside of the AFC.

Who cares? Literally one AFC member has made it to a World Cup semifinal, and they were hosting!

"...and they were hosting/cheating!" is what you meant.

Sadly, this won't be reversed. Listen, we all know the U.S. is the country that deserves to host the 2022 tournament but it just isn't going to happen at this point.

What did we ever do to deserve having that foisted on us again so soon?  As it is we'll probably get stuck with 2026.

[Keystone Phil]

Also the AFC would go batsh**t if it was stripped from Qatar, and doubly batsh**t if it was taken outside of Western Asia and triply batsh**t if it was taken outside of the AFC.

Who cares? Literally one AFC member has made it to a World Cup semifinal, and they were hosting!

"...and they were hosting/cheating!" is what you meant.

Sadly, this won't be reversed. Listen, we all know the U.S. is the country that deserves to host the 2022 tournament but it just isn't going to happen at this point.

What did we ever do to deserve having that foisted on us again so soon?  As it is we'll probably get stuck with 2026.

Oh, little things like having world class stadiums have a little something to do with it.

Ever since getting screwed over for 2022, I've been pessimistic/paranoid about 2026. You watch: they'll somehow award it to Mexico or, more realistically, Canada. Just watch.

[Franknburger]

Isn't the FIFA alternating between Europe and the Rest of the World? That would put Europe up for 2026 (it has been quite a while since the last WC in the UK or in Scandinavia). North America might have a go for 2030, but my feeling is - unless Qatar becomes a complete disaster, which can't be ruled out - that they envisage Africa for 2030 (Morocco?). 2034 is probably Turkey, unless they get the Olympics before...

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Isn't the FIFA alternating between Europe and the Rest of the World? That would put Europe up for 2026 (it has been quite a while since the last WC in the UK or in Scandinavia). North America might have a go for 2030, but my feeling is - unless Qatar becomes a complete disaster, which can't be ruled out - that they envisage Africa for 2030 (Morocco?). 2034 is probably Turkey, unless they get the Olympics before...

FIFA has a rule now that a confederation can't host more than every third time.  Since Russia has 2018, a UEFA member can't host until 2030, tho Uruguay will argue for the centennial World Cup to be held where it all began.  2030 certainly will go to either Europe or an Uruguayan bid.  If North America doesn't get it in 2026, we'll likely have to wait until 2034.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Hoping for USA 2026, which gives us what we rightfully deserved in 2022 and lets that Argentina-Uruguay joint bid happen for 2030 (since there's no way Uruguay could host alone like they could in 1930). 2034 should probably be England, though it's probably not good to look that far into the future.

[Keystone Phil]

2030 is going to Argentina-Uruguay. Europe will get it in 2034.

[Platypus]

With China getting 2038 and Australia shut out until *at least* 2050 so that Qatar can have a world cup instead.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

With China getting 2038 and Australia shut out until *at least* 2050 so that Qatar can have a world cup instead.

Someone's thinking too far ahead.

[Keystone Phil]

With China getting 2038 and Australia shut out until *at least* 2050 so that Qatar can have a world cup instead.

This is BushOK-esque.

[Platypus]

But it's true. The next Asian host will be China, pretty much for sure. Which means that after 2022 the first occasion for that is 2034, which is taken by Europe, so 2038. Which means the next Asian confederation host can't be until 2050.

It's not that hard to work it out.

2026 is 95% certain to be CONCACAF, cos I doubt Africa or ceania will put forward a strong enough bid;

2030 will be either a European bid or Argentina/Uruguay,

2034 will either be European or Argentina/Uruguay or China

2038 will either be China or Africa

2042 will be Africa or (if A/U never happened) South America

2046 will be Europe or South America

2050 will be Europe, Africa, or Asia

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So the earliest possible for us is 2050. Unless somehow we get the Asian spot for the 2030s, but the likelihood of that is near zero. We had a brief window where China was stepping back after the Olympics from hosting all-eyes-of-the-world sporting events, and now we've lost that wibdow and with it any chance of getting the next Asian WC.

[Platypus]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/24/qatar-2022-world-cup-185-nepalese-workers-died-2013

185.

Official figures, so times that by 3 or so.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

We have to bring the game to NEW LANDS!!!1, you see.

[Platypus]

It absolutely was appropriate for Asia to get the world cup, but Qatar was such a horrible choice.

It's why I was supporting Istanbul for the 2020 Olympics, btw - if Istanbul had gotten the games, it would have shut the door on Doha for at least a couple of decades.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

It absolutely was appropriate for Asia to get the world cup, but Qatar was such a horrible choice.

It's why I was supporting Istanbul for the 2020 Olympics, btw - if Istanbul had gotten the games, it would have shut the door on Doha for at least a couple of decades.

Other than the awful match times, Australia as a host would be fine. Qatar was obviously a godawful choice.