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« Reply #300 on: January 17, 2011, 02:45:43 PM »

The "Official" Map, Again


Governor Spiro T Agnew (R-MD)/Senator George HW Bush (R-TX); 278 electoral votes, 48.7% of the popular vote
Vice-President Terry Sanford (D-NC)/Senate Minority Leader Hubert H Humphrey (D-MN); 242 electoral votes, 46.1% of the popular vote
Congressman John Schmitz (I-CA)/Congressman John Ashbrook (I-OH); 18 electoral votes; 4.7% of the popular vote
Others (Socialist, Libertarian, People's); 0 electoral votes, .3% of the popular vote

Not everything is accurate, but this is the general idea.
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« Reply #301 on: January 17, 2011, 02:47:52 PM »

Well this entire election has been a learning experience. Hopefully in the future I want go through so many maps just to get the "official" map. Coming up should be the first term of President Spiro Agnew, starting off with the cabinet.
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« Reply #302 on: January 17, 2011, 02:56:08 PM »

I'm afraid posting a final map will be harder than I thought. When you take the EV calculator map and convert it, edit it, and try to put it in the gallery an error occurs. I could always edit the map code, but that would count for faithless electors.

Maybe it wasn't the right format. I think the AF gallery only accept PNG pictures if I well remember.

Yeah. How do you convert that?

It depends to how you save your pic. Normally, when you click on "save as" and get the window to choose where you save it, you have, below the file name, a list of different formats (bmp, jpg, png...).

Thanks. I'll try that.

You're welcome. Wink
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« Reply #303 on: January 17, 2011, 06:07:20 PM »

I'm not sure who Agnew appoints Secretary of State. I think Rockefeller woudl be a good choice because Rockefeller was a friend of Agnew's and was his political mentor. However, Agnew will take the hard line on foreign policy, so I don't think he'd want one of the proponents of detente handling his foreign policy. Possibilities include:
Senator Ronald Reagan
Senator Barry Goldwater
Former Labor Secretary George Shultz
Secretary of State Henry M Jackson

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« Reply #304 on: January 17, 2011, 06:19:26 PM »

January 20th, 1973
America! Meet you new President!
Earlier today, Governor Spiro T Agnew took the Oath of Office, becoming our 37th President. He promised "[A]n escape from the big government policies of the last eight years, a re-normalizing of international relations, tax cuts for the Middle Class, and lasting peace" We wonder if four years ago, President Agnew will be able to fulfill those promises he made. During the campaign season, he attacked the slowing economy, the President's performance in the 'Munich Massacre', the inability of the Democrats to hold together, and the creation of the EPA which he claimed helped to stifle businesses as well as create more government beauracracy. However, in the eleven weeks following the election, he has softened his tone and it remains to be seen if he shall govern as a moderate or a Conservative. Examinations of his cabinet picks will follow.
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« Reply #305 on: January 17, 2011, 06:35:09 PM »

I think that Reagan or Goldwater would be choices for State Secretary.
And I think that HW's ascension to the Vice-Presidency would allow Dubya to win his House seat in '78.
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« Reply #306 on: January 17, 2011, 06:52:59 PM »

Secretary of State
Nelson Rockefeller
An experienced politician with fourteen years of governing experience, Rockefeller is a personal friend of Agnew, and despite Agnew being to Rockefeller's Right, and they having faced off in the Republican primaries, they remain good friends.

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Rockefeller was a surprise to us. We'd been lobbying for Barry Goldwater to get the pick. However, he too would get his turn.
-Right From the Beginning, Patrick J Buchanan, (c) 1987

Secretary of the Treasury
Gerald R Ford
The House Minority Leader of eight years, Ford is a fiscal Conservative, but also moderate in his approach. He has good Congressional relations and will most likely work well with a Senate under Republican control and a House under Democratic control.

Spiro and George both thought Ford was the best choice for the job. His fiscally Conservative approach was seen as useful with an economy in a mild slump and a very high deficit. It was hoped that by 1976, we'd have lower taxes, a lower deficit, and a soaring economy. We're lucky no-one was holding their breath on that one.
-What the Man was Made of, James Baker, (c) 1999

Secretary of Defense
Barry Goldwater
Senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona, a favorite of the Conservative mocement and a three time candidate for President, gladly accepted the job of Secretary of Defense when he was called by Agnew days following the election. Not only does he bring his twenty years in the Senate to the table, he also has considerable military experience, having been a high ranking member of the Air Force in World War II.

While we thought Goldwater got stiffed on Secretary of State, we found out that he and Agnew had already agreed on Secretary of Defense, a position I thought Barry was consumately experienced for. Reagan, Meese, Buckley, and I all agreed on Agnew's selection.
-Right From the Beginning, Patrick J Buchanan, (c) 1987

When I heard that Agnew was appointing that mad-man Goldwater to head the Pentagon, I was furious. Frank, George, Mondale, and I all agreed that in the Senate we would attempt to filibuster Goldwater's confirmation. However, when it was finally brought to a vote, Goldwater passed easily.
-The Death of the Democrats, Mike Gravel, (c) 1996

Attorney General
John Ashbrook
Congressman Ashbrook, despite being an Independent Vice-Presidential nominee the previous year, has been chosen to be Attorney General under the Agnew Administration. He has had experience as a lawyer and is a well known Conservative voice in Congress.

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« Reply #307 on: January 17, 2011, 06:53:48 PM »

I think that Reagan or Goldwater would be choices for State Secretary.
And I think that HW's ascension to the Vice-Presidency would allow Dubya to win his House seat in '78.

I made Goldwater Secretary of Defense, and I was thinking the same thing about Dubya.
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« Reply #308 on: January 17, 2011, 08:54:05 PM »

Secretary of the Interior
John Tower
A three term Texas Governor who is a prominent Republican in Texas politics, Tower, who recently lost election to the Senate, is a friend of Vice-President George Bush. Tower was at first reluctant to accept the position of Secretary of the Interior, given that he had plans to run for the open Senate seat that Bush is leaving behind. However, Bush friend Congressman Jim Baker is running for it and expected to win against former Labor Secretary Lloyd Bentsen, a former Congressman from Texas.

George has originally asked me to accept the position of Secretary of the Interior. However, I had my sights on the Senate seat that would be opening up. We worked out an agreement with John where he would become Secretary of the Interior and I would run for the Senate seat.
-What the Man was Made of, James Baker, (c) 1999

Secretary of the Interior
Anne Armstrong
Former Chairwoman of the Texas Republican Party and another friend to Vice-President Bush, Anne Armstrong will most likely become the next Secretary of Agriculture.

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Secretary of Commerce
George Shultz
The soon-to-be Secretary of Commerce George Shultz is a professor of economics from both MIT and the University of Chicago. He is seen s as qualified for the low-key position of Secretary of Commerce, and served as Secretary of labor under President Nixon. It is believed that his appointment was made in order to appease Conservatives, who may be off-put by some of President Agnew's other cabinet choices.

Shultz, as with Barry, was another cabinet pick we didn't have to lean on Agnew to appoint. We were grateful that Agnew had good taste enough to appoint Conservatives like Goldwater, Tower, Shultz, and others, though I personally was displeased with some of Agnew's other choices.
-Right From the Beginning, Patrick J Buchanan, (c) 1987

Secretary of Labor
David M Kennedy
The well known Utah businessman who previously has served as CEO of Continental Illinois, will most likely be heading the Labor Department. He has worked in a variety of other government positions and offices since the fifties.

Secretary of Health and Human Services
Ellito Richardson
Former Massachusetts Attorney General who served as the legal adviser to the 1972 Rockefeller for President campaign, and who previously has clerked for the United States Supreme Court, Elliot Richardson is a Liberal Republican whose appointment has angered Conservatives, but has appeased party Liberals.

Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
John V Lindsay
An experienced politician who served in Congress from 1959 to 1961, as United States Attorney General from 1961 to 1965, and as New York City Mayor from 1966 to the present, John Lindsay is a friend of Secretary of State-Designate Rockefeller, and as before when he was appointed Attorney General, his appointment appeases Liberals in the party and in Congress. With seven years of experience as Mayor, he is seen as qualified for the position. However, some question his ability to govern given that amount of worker riots that occured in New York City during his tenure. In response to this, President Agnew quipped 'At least he's not being appointed Secretary of Labor!'

With cabinet appointments, I walked a narrow rope. From ultra-Conservatives to Liberals who were left of the Democrats, I appointed them. Both Lindsay and Richardson were among the Liberal Republicans who I appointed. This uneasy balance of Liberal and Conservative wouldn't hold long and I should have known it. During my Presidential Campaign, I'd attacked the dis-unity of the Democrats. However, the split in the Republicans was only going to widen.
-Not a Crook, Spiro T Agnew, (c) 1979

Secretary of Transportation
Caspar Weinberger
Another businessman, Caspar Weinberger has also served as a lawyer and a politician, having been in the California State Assembly for three terms, and having been the Chairman of the California Republican Party. As a businessman, he has served as Vice-President and General Counsel of the Betchel Corporation. He has also served as Chairman of the Federal Trade Comission.

"Cap the Knife" as he was called for his fiscal Conservatism, displayed during his tenure as Secretary of Transportation, was one of the general moderates that Spiro, George, Conservatives, and Liberals could easily nominate. He, among all of the nominees for a cabinet position, passed the most easily.
-What the Man was Made of, James Baker, (c) 1999

Secretary of Education
Elizabeth Hanford
The sole Democrat in the cabinet, Ms. Hanford has served in both the Nixon and the Kennedy Whitehouses. She served as one of the higher-ups on the 1972 Sanford for President campaign, and has been appointed mainly due to her connections and to appease Democrats who still hold a large minority of seats in the Senate. However, she says that she is full able to perform the duties of office and will do so.

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« Reply #309 on: January 18, 2011, 04:08:02 PM »
« Edited: January 19, 2011, 09:19:29 PM by Cathcon »

Ambassador to the United Nations
William F Buckley
Famous Conservative writer, revivalist of the Conservative movement, and former Conservative candidate for New York City Mayor, William F Buckley is also the brother of Senator James L Buckley (C-NY).

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National Security Adviser
Henry M Jackson
Former Secretary of State for the Kennedy Administration, Henry "Scoop" Jackson is seen as a qualified choice for National Security Adviser. Aside from Secretary of Education Designate Elizabeth Hanford, he is the only other Democrat to have a prominent position in the Agnew Administration.

Secretary of the Army
John Eisenhower
John Eisenhower is best known for being the son of former President Dwight D Eisenhower. During his father's two terms as President, John Eisenhower worked as Chief of Staff for a number of military positions. When Richard Nixon became President, he appointed John Eisenhower to be his Chief of Staff. John Eisenhower, who has served in the military, is seen as an adequate choice for Secretary of the Army, but maybe a bit too moderate for Agnew's tastes.

Whitehouse Chief of Staff
Alexander Haig
Alexander Haig is a newer face in Repbulican politics. He is a veteran of the Vietnam War and has served in a minor position in the Pentagon. Last year, he became US Ambassador to NATO, a surprise choice.

Whitehouse Communications Director
Patrick J Buchanan
The Republican speech writer, protege of William F Buckley, 1968 Goldwater for President campaign Press Secretary and Ronald Reagan's campaign manager in 1972, Buchanan is the very essence of the growing Conservative movement. His political work started in the late sixties when he came into contact with Senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona and Senator Ronald Reagan of California.

I was surprised to have been picked by Agnew. However, the job I did for Barry and ron must've beeen good enough for him. During those tenative years following 1972, I ran into many things, all of which make great anecdotes. However, those are for another book.
-Right From the Beginning, Patrick J Buchanan, (c) 1987
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« Reply #310 on: January 18, 2011, 04:09:32 PM »

Now onto the rest of the story, which I will attempt to speed up, slowing only for juicy pieces of the scandalous 1970's shitstorm.
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« Reply #311 on: January 18, 2011, 10:06:04 PM »

sh**tstorms are messy. Sad Anyways, it appears Agnew is a Domestic Centrist and a Severe Conservative on Foreign matters.
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« Reply #312 on: January 19, 2011, 03:37:59 PM »

During my first one hundered days as President, I think I was among the most active, passing the American Economic Stimulus Act, authored by Senator John Connally, passing tax cuts for the middle class, nas lowering the debt and deficit with cost cutting measures, headed up by Secretaries Ford and Weinberger.

In Foreign Policy, I was dedicated to the defense of America and I took the differences between the Soviet Union and America to heart. In Vietnam, which we had won decisively, the SOviets were still willing to pour money into that area to make sure that the South didn't advance beyond the de-militarized zone. In response, Secretary Rockefeller, Secretary Goldwater, and myself, visited South Vietnam, and working with the South Vietnamese leadership, we worked on plans to build a permanent United State military base there, which was completed by 1976. We also began training programs for the South Vietnamese military, the lessons of which are still in effect today.

In the Middle East, an area of growing tension, Israel acted with United States backing in finsing the culprits of the Munich Massacre. I made up for the foolish mistakes of the John F Kennedy Administration, which had resulted in the unfortunate deaths of the athletes in that terrible incident during the 1972 Olympics in Munich. Because of our insistence on defending Democracy and the soveregnty of Israel, yed gas and oil prices did go up. However, the Energy Availibility Act, passed with bi-partisan support and signed into act by me, put money into the pockets of American families, as well as worked to open up new avenues of energy, sch as nuclear power, as well as the emerging field of solar power.

And all of this was doen during my first one hundred days.

-Not a Crook, Spiro T Agnew, (c) 1979
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« Reply #313 on: January 19, 2011, 03:42:15 PM »

sh**tstorms are messy. Sad Anyways, it appears Agnew is a Domestic Centrist and a Severe Conservative on Foreign matters.

Yeah. I'm basing it on Nixon and Rockefeller in domestic matters. I think I read on wikipedia that Agnew was Rockefeller's protege of sorts, so that was one piece of information I used. In another book, Boom by Tom Brokaw I think, Pat Buchanan is being interviewed and talking about working at the 68 RNC, trying to rally Republicans for Nixon, and he talked about the choice of the tough on crime Agnew for VP as a victory for Conservatives. He talked about how instead they could have chosen Hiram Fong instead. I kind of combined these two references and am trying to convert it into actual policy.
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« Reply #314 on: January 19, 2011, 04:17:31 PM »

Well, Agnew's book is Not a Crook. Seems like it was quite the scandal in the 70s. Hopefully he got laid out of it with the sh**tstorm being "scandalous". Its going to be interesting how we deal with Vietnam and the USSR, that's for sure. I wonder if the Soviets will still even invade Afghanistan.
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« Reply #315 on: January 20, 2011, 04:23:45 PM »

April 9th, 1973
On the Senate Floor...

    Hatfield: It seems that the President's agenda in foreign policy is the exact opposite of what is in America's best interests. Immediately after having wrapped up a terribly bloody war that we only won after several revisions in strategy, President Agnew has begun to pour troops and American weaponry into the Middle East. This will obviously ignite the powder keg in the Middle East, yet he persists in the name of 'American interests'. Another war is the exact opposite of America's interests!
    Reagan: I must whole-heartedly disagree with the Senator's comments. It seems he believes the only way to defeat American enemies is to run from them. Time and time again, that is not so. We won the Great War, not because we hid, but because we fought. We won World War II for the sames resons, because we had Presidents willing to take the appropriate steps in order to ensure victory. The only way we won in Vietnam was by re-vamping our strategy to take the fight to the enemy.
    Hatfield: Vietnam was a needless massacre! We had no interest in losing American lives in those jungles, except for President Kennedy's obsession with besting the communists! Had we never been in there in the first place, we wouldn't have needed to lose billions of dollars and forty million lives there!
    Reagan: Senator. You seem uncommited to the very idea of fighting communism. You seem much more content to sit back and wash the Soviet hand crawl even further outward, into Europe, Asia, the Middle East. What happens when there are no other nations to stand between them and us? Only then should we fight? By then they would have gathered strength enough to out-fight us. The only wise policy is to wear them down, and to not open  up an opportunity for them to do that to us.

Even in April, my attempts to hold together the erupting Republican Party were coming apart.
-Not a Crook, Spiro T Agnew, (c) 1979
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« Reply #316 on: January 20, 2011, 09:19:07 PM »
« Edited: December 19, 2011, 06:00:05 PM by Cathcon »

It was during the vast and horrible decade of the seventies, with inflation, a horrible economy, foreign crises, and a loss of respect for government that I came to know George Bush. We were first aquainted during his 1970 run for Senate and the two years following that. It was later, in the period between 1977 and 1981 that we came to be friends.
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« Reply #317 on: January 21, 2011, 09:00:35 PM »

Woodward sat at his desk, exhausted. He had been hanging onto his fragile job for nearly two years. He was surprised that he hadn't been fired by that point. "Woodward!" the call rang out from the editor, "We're thinking of running a piece on the life of President Agnew!" "What? A puff piece?" asked Woodward. "It's this or your job!" the editor cried back, "I want you in Maryland by the end of the week!". "Alright, I'll go down there and see what there is too see. Are we really going to run this?" "Or your job!"
Fall From Grace, Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, (c) 1976
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« Reply #318 on: January 21, 2011, 09:34:12 PM »

May 3rd, 1973
Nixon in the Whitehouse?
In the short time that the Agnew Adminsitration has been in power, their most commonly called consultant to the Whtiehouse has been former President Nixon. A man who spent the first two years of his political retirement sulking in California, and the other six traveling the world and meeting with several world leaders and re-familiarizing himself with the foreign policy ropes, former President Nixon is seen as an experienced hand at foreign policy, despite his arguably disastroud Presidency. Also, former Nixon National Security Adviser Henry Kissinger has since January 20th, been appointed Assistant Secretary of State under Secretary Rockefeller.
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« Reply #319 on: January 21, 2011, 10:02:04 PM »

Really interested in seeing what happens with Kissinger. Is he too late to get up into the first tier of that Administration? The party still seems centrist enough to let a realpolitiker (or whatever is sexy and accurate to call a realist) be on the cabinent. 
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« Reply #320 on: January 21, 2011, 10:23:53 PM »

Really interested in seeing what happens with Kissinger. Is he too late to get up into the first tier of that Administration? The party still seems centrist enough to let a realpolitiker (or whatever is sexy and accurate to call a realist) be on the cabinent. 

He might just, should there be a change in power or an empty position.
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« Reply #321 on: January 22, 2011, 09:34:41 AM »

The converstaion pretty much started when I first took office in the Senate, with Teddy asking through swigs of alcohol "Hey, Bobby, areyou going to run for President?" I had just been elected to the Senate, and I had only two years of political experience aside from being Attorney General. I had considered it, but early in the year Jack's approval ratings were'nt the highest. However, knowing what happened with Nixon, the more people begin to forget things about your Presidency, the more idolized you become. That being said, I knew Jack's image would recover, and in two years, who knew? However, Ted was also eyeing the Presidency and I'd have to communicate to him later to wait his turn. For the moment, I was wrapped up in Senate business trying to pass a Welfare Reform Act so as to reconstruct the welfare system so that it did more than pay peple to be poor. I missed my days as Attorney General where I could be concentrated in more of the out-of-sight busines of the adminsitration. However, I was in the Senate and that's where I would stay for the next four years.
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« Reply #322 on: January 22, 2011, 10:02:49 AM »
« Edited: January 23, 2011, 09:35:24 PM by Cathcon »

June 27th, 1973
"And with the success of the Israeli-American coalition in tracking down those responsible for the Munich Massacre, President Agnew's approval ratings have soared" roars the TV "Here, President Agnew is shown on a helicopter in Israel, showing the peace sign with both hands and waving to troops. This was yesterday. One must wonder what the President will do with his newfound political capital. He's already passed two major stimuluses, cut taxes, and reduced the deficit. What will he do next?" Meanwhile, in the darkened Whitehouse late at night, the President sits eating dinner with former President Nixon, Secretary of State Rockefeller, Assistant Secretary of State Kissinger, and Defense Secretary Goldwater.
    Nixon: Congratulations, Spiro. you seem to be at the top of your game right now.
    Agnew: Thanks, Dick. I think it's time to move onto something bigger, but I'm not sure what. Maybe healthcare? We could steal the Liberals' thunder with that.
    Goldwater: Please, not healthcare. If you want to discuss that with people like Lindsay and Richardson. But not here.
    Nixon: Now look, Spiro. you've got a chance to accomplish something great here.
    Agnew: What, might I ask.
    Nixon: China...
    Goldwater: Oh, give me a break!
    Nixon: No, hear me out. If we visit China, you become the first President to recognize the nation. It's you who can claim to have done something like that. If we go to China, the Soviets, who fear war with China will be running scared. We can get good deals out of both of them by negotiating separately. Ultimately, we become the mediator and we control this.
    Agnew: (chuckling) Only you, Dick.
    Nixon: You don't even have to go! Send someone like me, or Rocky to do it.
    Rockefeller: It actually sounds like a good idea.
    Kissinger: Mr. President. It has come in my experience that such a move would work. We would be able to completely control the situation over there, and play both of the great nations into our hands.
    Goldwater: What are we fighting for? Is it for a safer world and liberty, or for power, Mr. President? The men surrounding me seem only concentrated on power.
    Nixon: This will work, Spiro.
    Agnew: (chuckling) Only you, Dick. Only you would go to China. Only Nixon would go to China.
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« Reply #323 on: January 22, 2011, 02:30:24 PM »

July 4th, 1973
President Agnew Shot in Maryland!
At a Fourth of July rally in his home state of Maryland, President Spiro T Agnew has been shot at, being hit once in the leg, once in the arm, and once in the shoulder. He was taken away immediately while the Secret Service apprehended the assailant, a janitor from Wisconsin named Arthur Bremer. His motives are unknown. At this time, President Agnew is at a Maryland hospital and may be taken to Washington DC. Vice-President Bush is talking with the President's closest advisers on what course of action to take. The Vice-President is currently in Texas and Whitehouse Chief of Staff Alexander Haig has said that in Washington, he has everything under control.

Arthur Bremer-An Assassin?
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« Reply #324 on: January 22, 2011, 02:30:53 PM »

Please just ignore the Wallace button that Bremer is wearing.
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