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« Reply #925 on: March 31, 2012, 10:04:17 pm »
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"Roger Daltrey and Pete Townsend didn't always have it right when they wrote "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss", and many believe that's what the Democrats will be trying to prove as the first half of the Presidential term comes to an end and the next two years will be spent building up towards one night in November of 1984. With Hatfield poised as probably the most popular Republican incumbent since Eisenhower, even with the economic stagnation and slow recovery, he may prove hard to beat. Already he has shown his prowess in dealing with Congress and with foreign powers and he very well be may in for a land-slide re-election of his own. Since President Kennedy's defeat, a number of Democrats have emerged as being among the party's new leaders, perhaps for the next twenty years or so. Those include Senator Jim Folsom Jr. of Alabama, Senator Jerry Brown of California, and of course the unforgettable Jesse Helms of North Carolina. Though these three are hardly all in the same boat ideologically, they are in the same boat, party-wise. As the year ends and we speed through 1983, one or all of these may very well be throwing their hats into the Presidential ring. We review these and more as we look at the crowd of which Hatfield's 1984 challenger may likely come.

Jesse Helms has made a name for himself since his entry into the Senate in 1973. Despite being allied with Presidents Agnew and Bush on a number of issues, over the last six years--since 1976--he has positioned himself instead as the leader of the Southern Democrats. Most notable in the past year-and-a-half for being the most vocal opponent of any number of President Hatfield's objectives, he may very well be the man Dixie hoists on its shoulders to run for President. The most objectionable quality about him is race relations. Despite the fact that North Carolina has a considerable number of African-Americans, Helms has focused on rallying Southern whites instead and is the enemy of many local Democrats in his homestate because of this. With the era of arguing over Civil Rights having seemingly died, his views are looking more and more outdated and bigoted as time passes, and he may even run into trouble in the Southern primaries where the black vote is a large factor.


If Jesse Helms could be called the "mouth" of Southern Democrats, Jim Folsom Jr. is certainly the "brain". While Helms has concentrated on lambasting the President--much to the plea of a majority of Democrats, Folsom has concentrated on putting forth bills to help jobs and infrastructure across the nation and in his home region. As well, he's done what Helms has not, he has combined lower class whites and blacks into one coalition, making him practically unstoppable in races. Focusing on economic issues and issues of abortion and drugs as opposed to Helms' veiled (or sometimes not-so-veiled) racism, he would be a much stronger primary and general election candidate than Helms, as well as likely a much more successful President. If there's one man that has tried to represent the common man in his short time in this body, it's Jim Jr.


Jerry Brown is worlds apart from both Helms and Folsom. While they concentrate on rhetoric tuned to poor and working class Southerners, Brown's populism is in a whole different dimension (and from a whole different planet, according to his detractors). Supported in his home state mainly by young urbanites and the sort, Brown is hardly the typical politician, whether it be Republican, Democrat, what have you. A supporter of Gene McCarthy in 1980, he is nonetheless an economic moderate and is an ardent believe in the issues of fiscal restraint and maintaining low taxes for the middle and lower classes. "What we live in now is an era of limits", the young Senator says to a caucus of young, Western, freshman House Democrats, "and President Hatfield seems to have realized that and his budgets speak for themselves. What we have done is come far too much to rely on government strength and aid. In the last decade, we continually tried to help the economy using government policies and programs and that got us nowhere. In the last two decades we have continually tried to maintain our power against the Soviets by pouring more and more money and more and more troops into conflicts spanning the globe. What we are in is an era of limits, and if the Democrats can't realize that, then they are doomed to lose election after election." While Brown might make sense, not many Democrats seems to share his beliefs and his charisma will not get him as far as he might like in a Democratic primary.


Vice President George McGovern, while discussed as a potential candidate, seems to have been largely dis-credited following his time as Vice President. A leading Progressive Democrat before 1977, he was seen as a leader of the party's liberals in the Senate and himself a potential Presidential candidate in 1972 or 1976. Had Robert F. Kennedy lost, or McGovern not been elected Vice President, he would surely be one of the leading names for the nomination right now. However, George McGovern's Presidential hopes may be no more. Despite this, the Vice President has resumed a regular speaking schedule and has met with a large number of former political allies and even adversaries. He is still greatly admired, but if he believes he could in fact become President, it is likely to be in 1988, not in 1984. Instead, the major Progressive mantle has fallen to the more realistic and currently more popular Walter Mondale. A favorite of Labor (as the name "Minnesota Democratic Farmer-Labor Party" would imply), Mondale may have what it takes to united the warring coalitions in the Democrats. With appeal to the Mid-West and the Rust Belt, his liberal economic stances and moderate foreign policy stances, combined with a support for civil rights may be enough to hold the currently down and out party together for just one round, and that may be enough. Paired with a Southern running mate, Mondale would likely pose a very great threat to Hatfield.


There are of course, numerous other potential contenders. Rhode Island Senator Phillip W. Noel has the chance to be the Northern urban Catholic candidate of the year, just the way Texas Governor Lloyd Bentsen could be the moderate South-Western candidate. However, with Senate Minority Leader Robert Byrd likely not running, most other names likely aren't credible. Mike Gravel might have an outside chance were it not for the fact that the final nail was pounded into his political coffin just a month before with his losing of the Alaska Governor's race. Eugene McCarthy's career as a Democrat is obviously done, and Ted Kennedy wouldn't dare think about being President following Bobby's tenure. Reverend Jesse Jackson could potentially unite the party's black, but none else. It seems the major players in the Democratic field are confined in the ink of what is written above."
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Dag gummit!  Not D'Amato!  But I guess Governor Ron Paul is a fair trade-off.  Lloyd Bensen is decent too; what's my favorite Massachusetts moderate doing? (The Democrat Wink).  Also, I've developed a softspot for Geraldine Ferraro, so I'd like to see what she and Mario Cuomo, Ed Koch, and Rudy are doing too!  Thanks
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Helms vs Hatfield. Now that would make an interesting race.
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Dag gummit!  Not D'Amato!  But I guess Governor Ron Paul is a fair trade-off.  Lloyd Bensen is decent too; what's my favorite Massachusetts moderate doing? (The Democrat Wink).  Also, I've developed a softspot for Geraldine Ferraro, so I'd like to see what she and Mario Cuomo, Ed Koch, and Rudy are doing too!  Thanks

I knew I was forgetting something! I planned to have Rudy talk about getting elected to the House! I'll edit it in sometime today (maybe).

Helms vs Hatfield. Now that would make an interesting race.

We shall see. Wink Helms is definitely one of the people I'm considering to be the 1984 candidate.
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Helms vs Hatfield. Now that would make an interesting race.

If the Democrats want a hypothetical me to vote the Republicans, then sure.
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I really would like to go back to the seventies and write something. Sadly (or gladly) that ship has failed and I have to concentrate on this stuff. I missed my chance to write this tl's version of Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72.
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Helms vs Hatfield. Now that would make an interesting race.

If the Democrats want a hypothetical me to vote the Republicans, then sure.

It's all part of the process of political re-alignment. Never fear. A number of Conservatives may not know who to support in elections either.
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Helms vs Hatfield. Now that would make an interesting race.

If the Democrats want a hypothetical me to vote the Republicans, then sure.

It's all part of the process of political re-alignment. Never fear. A number of Conservatives may not know who to support in elections either.

[crosses fingers, whispers while fingering rosary] Please make Hatfield vs. Helms, please, please, please, please........[/bring back Gold Democrats]
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Actually, I take it back.  Helms / Ferraro 1988!  Also, did Congressman Ashbrook die as otl?
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Actually, I take it back.  Helms / Ferraro 1988!  Also, did Congressman Ashbrook die as otl?

I can promise you that won't be the 1988 ticket. Wink

As for Ashbrook, he served as Attorney General for Agnew and Bush (73-74) but resigned due to the administration's stance on Roe v Wade. He was considered as a potential candidate in 1976 and 1980, but turned down the opportunity. He was also considered for Attorney General in the Reagan Administration. Instead, Robert Taft Jr. took the spot. Ashbrook in turn was appointed to fill the remainder of Taft's term in the Senate. While running for re-election, he suffered his fatal heart attack and the OH GOP eventually nominated a no-name who in turn lost to the Democrat.

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I can promise you that won't be the 1988 ticket. Wink

As for Ashbrook, he served as Attorney General for Agnew and Bush (73-74) but resigned due to the administration's stance on Roe v Wade. He was considered as a potential candidate in 1976 and 1980, but turned down the opportunity. He was also considered for Attorney General in the Reagan Administration. Instead, Robert Taft Jr. took the spot. Ashbrook in turn was appointed to fill the remainder of Taft's term in the Senate. While running for re-election, he suffered his fatal heart attack and the OH GOP eventually nominated a no-name who in turn lost to the Democrat.

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dammit!  Well then Buckley / Taft 88.
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Oh, Buckley will be involved alright. Wink
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Oh, Buckley will be involved alright. Wink

I certainly hope so Wink
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1980 Republican Primary popular vote map

Blue-Governor Ronald Wilson Reagan of California
Green-Senator Mark Odom Hatfield of Oregon
Red-Senator Howard Henry Baker Jr. of Tennessee

1980 Democratic Primary popular vote map

Red-President Robert F. Kennedy of Massachusetts
Green-Former Senator Eugene McCarthy of Minnesota

This is really great stuff, Cathcon. My only question is who were the other candidates in New Hampshire, to get Reagan down to 20%? (Forgive my ignorance.) Flawless work on the primary maps.

Also, thrilled to see Howard Dean as a leading Republican in this timeline. Latte libertarianism at its finest. Smiley

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Thanks man! New Hampshire was a tight race even though Reagan won with a four point margin over Hatfield. Following Hatfield was Baker and then the minor candidates like Rumsfeld and Lindsay (those two mostly) and then Haig and McCloskey came in last.

And Howard Dean being part of the GOP is just part of the grand scheme... Wink
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Democratic Congressman, sponsored the '82 CRA. I had him running for Senate, but realized that's Ted Kennedy's seat. He'll instead be running in '84 when Elliot Richardson (R) retires.
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I'm considering summarizing 1983 and getting right into 1984. Tongue Thoughts?
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January 3rd, 1983:
The 98th United States Congress is sworn in. Among the freshmen are Senators Prescott Bush Jr. (R-CT), Mark Dayton (D-MN), and Sanders M. Levin (D-MI), and Representatives Rudy Giuliani (D-NY-8), and Bill Richardson (R-NM-3)


Meanwhile, Defense Secretary John Warner resigns to take his own seat in the new Congress. He was elected Senator from Virginia last November. He is replaced with, surprisedly, Pete McCloskey. McCloskey is a Republican Congressman from California who served in both the Navy and the Marines, even volunteered in the Vietnam War early on, was awarded medals of valor for his service in Korea, and made his name since the late sixties opposing war. While a number of hawks were vehemently opposed to his nomination, Hatfield's allies in the Senate and the votes of some moderate Democrats allowed McCloskeky to be appointed.


John Warner, the freshman Senator from Virginia

January 31st, 1983:
Reverend Jesse Jackson (D-DC) announces he is running for President, making him the first “major” candidate to enter the Democratic field.


February 13th, 1983:
Former United States Secretary of State Nelson Rockefeller passes away from a heart attack at his home. Rushed to the hospital from the International Council on Foreign Relations where he was when he suffered the heart attack, he was announced Dead On Arrival by the emergency room doctors. Mr. Rockefeller served his country as a statesman, diplomat, cabinet officer, and four term Governor of his home state of New York.

March 9th, 1983:
Senator Philip W. Noel (D-RI) announces his bid for the 1984 Democratic nomination, attempting to bill himself as "the candidate of labor, small business, and the middle, working America." He receives support, however, only from North-Eastern Catholics.

May 4th, 1983:
With unemployment down, stocks up, and inflation at a decade low, President Hatfield announces his re-election big and declares the economy "officially recovered". The polls seem to agree, as Hatfield's approvals are in the sixties and he is shown beating a number of potential challengers. Following that, it is announced Hatfield will be leaving the States temporarily to meet with the current Soviet leader and continue to negotiate for a much calmer Cold War.


May 16th, 1983:
President Hatfield sits down for the first time with Soviet First Secretary Grigory Romanov. Having taken over since Brezhnev’s death, Romanov presents a glimmer of hope for Hatfield who hopes that dealing with Romanov will yield far more results on the Nuclear Non-Production Treaty currently in the works.

June 7th, 1983:
President Hatfield, in a joint press conference with Attorney General Robert Taft Jr., announces that the Federal Government will be phasing out the War on Drugs.

June 9th, 1983:
Former White House Chief of Staff Edwin Meese, a close friend and assistant to the late President Reagan, makes his first appearance on a talk show condemning Hatfield’s actions in relation to the War on Drugs. “Under President Agnew, the threat of these narcotics and drugs was recognized, and it was decided, through the Justice Department, that extra emphasis would be on halting drug trafficking and stopping this blight upon America. This was continued under George Bush, Bobby Kennedy, and Ronald Reagan. What we have here is Hatfield threatening to allow things like marijuana, heroin, and cocaine go unchecked at the Federal level.”

“The fact was, the War on Drugs was a failure. The last ten years or so it had been a drain on the federal budget and had produced little results. Pouring large sums of federal money and muscle had not helped the drug problem, and you know what they say the definition of insanity is... When the idea was proposed at a cabinet meeting, Bob Taft was all for it, out-lining what his Justice Department had been spending on enforcement, as well as extra effort put in by the FBI and DEA that had yielded nothing to show for it. It was agreed in May that we would be shutting down the War on Drugs and transferring responsibilities to the states, where they were so much better equipped to deal with local problems and decide priorities for themselves. In June, we went public. Edwin Meese, Reagan’s Chief of Staff, proved to be the biggest voice inside the party that was against it. Outside the party, Jesse Helms, gearing up for a 1984 Presidential run, quickly worked to make him the biggest voice of opposition to our plans. Other prominent Democrats who opposed were Rhode Island Senator Phillip W. Noel, Reverend Jesse Jackson, Reverend Pat Robertson, and even Senate Minority Leader Robert Byrd.
   As for Edwin Meese, he quickly found himself booed out of the party as politicians ranging from moderates like Nancy Landon Kassebaum and John Chaffee to the Goldwater duo seemed to agree with the idea. Some party heavyweights such as Howard Baker and Bob Dole had the reserve not to take either side, probably for their own political well being, but the plan did get the public backing of Senate Majority Whip Ted Stevens of Alaska. While the WoD was the product of the executive, in a show of unity, the Senate narrowly passed a resolution welcoming its end, and the House soon followed suit. The House effort, as with the 1982 CRA, was spear-headed by Paul Tsongas who in the process found himself continually alienated by his own party and would soon find himself switching party affiliations.”
-Againt the Grain, Mark Hatfield, 1982

June 11th, 1983:
The sci-fi film "Starkiller", written and directed by George Lucas, is at long last released and move goers rush to the theaters to view what will become hailed as one of the most iconic adventure films of the decade.
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July 4th, 1983:
Senator Jesse Helms (D-NC) announces his bid for the 1984 Democratic nomination on Independence Day. President Hatfield is informed by a member of his press team while eating a hotdog and shaking hands with a members of a Veterans of the Palestine War group outside at an event in Washington D.C.

“We’d been waiting for just the moment to announce. My work on the campaign had started in February of that year and by May or June we’d gotten the hang of what we were doing. All that needed to take place was that final step and we’d have Helms be a candidate for President. The controversy of ending the War on Drugs provided the perfect foil for Helms to position himself against. With the controversy beginning to wind down by the end of the Jue, however, it was Helms’ chance to keep in the national spotlight. On Independence Day, with his exploits still fresh in public memory, he announced he was running for President in 1984. We immediately received the endorsements of Strom Thurmond, Larry MacDonald, and a number of other Conservative Democrats. In his mind, there were only two big endorsements left to grab as the campaign rolled on towards the end of the year, those of George Wallace and Pat Robertson.”
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July 29th, 1983:
Only barely missing the end of the month, Senator Jerry Brown (D-CA) announces he is running for the Democratic nomination next year. Re-iterating a common theme he’s stressed in a number of speeches, “President Hatfield realizes that we now live in an era of limits. If the Democratic Party can’t do that, then we are doomed to repeated loss on the national level.”

September 12th, 1983:
Paul Tsongas meets with President Hatfield, Senate Majority Leader Howard Baker, Congressman Silvio Conte, House Minority Whip Donald Rumsfeld, and Senator Elliot Richardson. In the meeting, he agrees to switch his party affiliation to Republican in exchange for him to keep his committee assignments and backing in his 1984 bid for U.S. Senate to replace Richardson.

September 13th, 1983:
Congressman Paul Tsongas (D-MA-5) announces that he has officially switched to the Republican party, making it a matter of public record that he is now Congressman Paul Tsongas, (R-MA-5).

October 3rd, 1983:
In a much awaited announcement, Senator Walter Mondale of Minnesota makes it official, he is running for the 1984 Democratic nomination.


Quote from: 1984 Democratic Party (US) Presidential Primaries
With Mondale's announcement, no other major potential candidates entered. Quickly soaring to the head of the pack in polling and replacing Jesse Helms, there was little to no question of who would be winning the Iowa caucuses, the first in the nation race on what would prove the long road to the DNC.

October 10th, 1983:
Thanks in large part to the work of the U.S. and President Hatfield (both through covert means and through negotiation), the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan is ordered by Soviet First Secretary Romanov.


October 20th, 1983:
Former Vice President George McGovern, in an interview, makes it official that he will not be running for the 1984 Democratic nomination. “During my time in the public eye, the stress wore on me. My time as Vice President when scandal erupted in the White House and we fought the failed bid for re-election has shown me there are times when you can take breaks. Oh, I’d love to jump right into the race if I felt I was needed, but right now there are a number of good candidates out there that can just as easily champion what I spent my career standing up for.”

November 24th, 1983:
President Hatfield has much to be grateful for this Thanksgiving Day as he has seen domestic and international success since his assumption of the office over two and-a-half years ago.

December 1st, 1983:
End of the year polling shows a large national lead for Senator Mondale as Iowa approaches.

Green-Senator Walter Mondale of Minnesota
Red-Senator Jesse Helms of North Carolina
Yellow-Senator Jerry Brown of California
Gray-Senator Phillip W. Noel of Rhode Island
Blue-Reverend Jesse Jackson of Washington D.C.
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No, making him the first incumbent President since Dwight D. Eisenhower to not receive one. There's been talk among some Mid-Western and Southern Republicans, but even among some of Hatfield's largest opponents inside his party, it's recognized that he's the best chance to keep Republicans in power and that he's probably the most popular President since Eisenhower as well.
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