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« Reply #950 on: April 10, 2012, 09:14:43 pm »
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Whoa!  Bill Richardson a Republican!  And Jesse Helms a Democrat!  I mean, they can have Rudy, but I have a certain soft spot for Johnny M.  What about Paul Laxalt?  A certain Texas Governor ladyperson?  Wink
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No input? Tongue

I only thruput Cheesy.  What's Olliver North doing?
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« Reply #952 on: April 10, 2012, 10:44:40 pm »
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Whoa!  Bill Richardson a Republican!  And Jesse Helms a Democrat!  I mean, they can have Rudy, but I have a certain soft spot for Johnny M.  What about Paul Laxalt?  A certain Texas Governor ladyperson?  Wink

Johnny M? Laxalt is a Republican, NV Governor 1967-1971 & NV Senator 1971-1983. Just recently was narrowly defeated for re-election. Ann Richards is, like in RL, a Texas Dem who works on campaigns & whatnot.
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Kissinger?  Wink
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Whoa!  Bill Richardson a Republican!  And Jesse Helms a Democrat!  I mean, they can have Rudy, but I have a certain soft spot for Johnny M.  What about Paul Laxalt?  A certain Texas Governor ladyperson?  Wink

Johnny M? Laxalt is a Republican, NV Governor 1967-1971 & NV Senator 1971-1983. Just recently was narrowly defeated for re-election. Ann Richards is, like in RL, a Texas Dem who works on campaigns & whatnot.

McCain.
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McCain.  Please don't tell me reid won.
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« Reply #956 on: April 20, 2012, 09:12:56 pm »
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Whoa!  Bill Richardson a Republican!  And Jesse Helms a Democrat!  I mean, they can have Rudy, but I have a certain soft spot for Johnny M.  What about Paul Laxalt?  A certain Texas Governor ladyperson?  Wink

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McCain.  Please don't tell me reid won.

John McCain was re-elected narrowly over a strong opponent. Reid was actually elected in '74 I believe, though if I remember correctly, NV should've been a Republican gain in '80.
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Whoa!  Bill Richardson a Republican!  And Jesse Helms a Democrat!  I mean, they can have Rudy, but I have a certain soft spot for Johnny M.  What about Paul Laxalt?  A certain Texas Governor ladyperson?  Wink

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McCain.  Please don't tell me reid won.

John McCain was re-elected narrowly over a strong opponent. Reid was actually elected in '74 I believe, though if I remember correctly, NV should've been a Republican gain in '80.

Laxalt is one of my favorite, uncredited politicians.  He's one of the many forgotten, likable Senators, and a gentle, clean brand of politics of another era entirely.
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Hoping to start the primaries soon.
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Hoping to start the primaries soon.

Damn, you got me excited thinking it was an update
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How soon is soon? Smiley
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How soon is soon? Smiley

Tonight probably. Light homework and it's the weekend! Didn't know you wandered over here.
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The Democrats, 1984

Walter Mondale of Minnesota

Ideology:
Progressive, Labor Liberal
Experience:
23rd Attorney General of Minnesota: 1960-January 4th, 1971
39th Lieutenant Governor of Minnesota: January 4th, 1971-December 20th, 1972
United States Senators from Minnesota: January 3rd, 1973-Present
Endorsements:
Former United States Senate Minority Leader Hubert H. Humphrey of Minnesota
Former Vice President George McGovern of South Dakota
Former Vice President Terry Sanford of North Carolina
Former United States Secretary of Labor Joseph R. Biden of Delaware
Senator John S. McCain III of Arizona
Governor William J. Clinton of Arkansas
Summary:
The latest major entry into the race, Mondale's is also the most awaited. Seen as the savior of the party in the post-Kennedy era (measured by modern so-called historians as 1960-1980), Mondale has the potential to combine all or many of the major warring factions within the Democratic Party. Supported by labor as well as farmers in the Mid-West, he as well appeals to Rust-Belt and North-Eastern labor and blue collar workers, Appalachian coal miners, Western farmers, and inner-city minorities. On foreign policy, Mondale has carved a moderate path, supporting missile reduction treaties and de-escalation of the Cold War, but also heavy conventional arms build-up and the success of both the Vietnam and the Palestinian Wars. On social issues, Mondale is mainly silent though it is known he is pro-choice and in support of L.G.B.T. rights, something that may prove either helpful or harmful in the current, confusing makeup of the Democratic party.

Jesse A. Helms of North Carolina

Ideology:
Conservative, Populist
Experience:
Member of Raleigh, North Carolina, City Council: 1957-1961
United States Senator from North Carolina: January 3rd, 1973-Present
Endorsements:
Senator J. Strom Thurmond of South Carolina
Congressman Larry MacDonald of Georgia
Summary:
Obviously the most conservative contender in the race, Helms seems like a relic of a bygone era. Known for not only his uncompromising populist-conservatism but also his thoughts on race that seem to be fit much more for the 1950's, Helms seems like an old Dixiecrat that dropped out of the sky thirty years past his time. Nevertheless, Helms commands a large segment of white Democrats in the South that are willing to line up in droves for him. As well, pollsters measure his support extending into Appalachia, as well as parts of Southern Indiana, Ohio, and Illinois.

Despite his reputation as principled and un-bending, Helms himself seems to have moderated his economic views. Transforming from a city councilman in Raleigh who "fought against everything from putting a median strip on Downtown Boulevard to an urban renewal project", Helms now seems to have taken upon himself a more moderate, economics wise, image, fighting for and supporting government actions such as public works projects and farm subsidies. Whether it's the changing of the times or the changing of his party, Helms, despite all else, has done what is necessary to garner broad appeal among his major demographic, poor white southerners. As well, Helms has one trick up his sleeve: the fact that the Kennedys deeply owe him and his political compadres for his victory in the South in the 1980 primaries. They could have easily lined up Helms or someone like him to oppose the incumbent President there, muddying Kennedy's chances of winning the nomination when he himself was already concentrated on battling Gene McCarthy. However, when the time came, Thurmond, Helms, and the seemingly reformed George Wallace all lined up behind Kennedy in opposition to McCarthy, and Kennedy knows this. Where-as liberals and progressives were jumping ship without abandon, the "Dixiecrats" RFK's brother had such trouble with stayed loyal. Should the fight get drawn to the convention, Helms may plan on playing this as much as possible. The fact that a large amount of Kennedy's support in the general election came from Southern states is a notable and significant fact.

Should Helms perform at his absolute one hundred percent best come the primaries, he will be quite the force to be reckoned with. If, during the primaries, he's managed to achieve and remain in first or second place with his part of the South firmly held down, Helms has the potential to extend his support West and look into taking what are looking like this race's swing states: Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, and Colorado. However, that's an if. Many skeptics (or optimists, depending on one's point of view) see Helms' campaign as unable to extend itself outside the South.

Edmund G. "Jerry" Brown Jr. of California

Ideology:
Progressive, Moderate, Libertarian
Experience:
Los Angeles Community College District Board of Trustees: 1969-1971
24th Secretary of State of California: January 4th, 1971-November 23rd, 1975
United States Senator from California: November 25th, 1972-Present
Endorsements:
Former Senator Maurrice "Mike" Gravel of Alaska
Congressman Morris K. Udall of Arizona
Former Governor Charlton Heston of California
Summary:
The young and charismatic California Senator Jerry Brown is ideologically hard to gauge. From supporting a number of very liberal pieces of legislation to going against his own party on a number of issues related to spending, Brown has earned names like "Hatfield's best friend", and "The Democrat Hatfield". These names will not be an asset as Brown attempts to win the nomination to run against the man he has found himself so often siding with. As well, the fact that he was one of many Western Democrats to support Eugene McCarthy in 1980 is in no way a good spot on his resume. However, with this comes an advantage: Brown seems to be the only one of the field with the ability to take the fight to Hatfield on a number of issues including the deficit, welfare reform, foreign policy, and taxes. As well, Brown attracts youth supporters in large numbers and is seen as the only candidate who can successfully battle Hatfield--a candidate popular with voters aged 18 to 30--for the nation's youngest voter segment.

Brown, despite his youth, is himself quite experienced. Previous to his two terms in the Senate, he worked as California's youngest Secretary of State and as a lawyer and of course has heritage on his side as his father was Edmund G. "Pat" Brown Sr., the two-term Governor of California from the 1960's. Ultimately, Brown losing the nomination would most likely be more beneficial to his career than winning. With Hatfield polling well against all candidates, Brown would be unlikely to win the general. As well, with his youth, should Brown desire, it looks like he has many more presidential elections open to him following this one.

Philip W. Noel of Rhode Island

Ideology:
Moderate, Liberal, Populist
Experience:
Member of Warwick, Rhode Island, City Council: 1961-1967
Mayor of Warwick, Rhode Island: 1967-1972
68th Governor of Rhode Island: January 2nd, 1973-January 3rd, 1977
United States Senator from Rhode Island: January 3rd, 1977-Present
Endorsements:
Governor J. Joseph Garrahy of Rhode Island
Governor Edward J. King of Massachusetts
Governor Robert P. Casey of Pennsylvania
Summary:
Noel doesn't seem to be of the stature to pass for what one would expect of a presidential candidate. However, he does have the on-paper resume for it, and it looks like he could have the unexpected support to do it. A Roman Catholic from a working class family, he was a small businessman and Democratic political operative in Rhode Island before becoming a full-time politician. During that time in politics he has paved a moderate to liberal record on economics, but with business-friendly views and special attention to the white working class--with, some would say, disregard for unemployed and impoverished African-Americans. With the apparent support of working class and inner-city blue collar Catholics, Noel could pull off a win in the state he is staking his entire campaign on: New Hampshire. However, it seems the time for an uprising of blue collars in response to racial violence and youth in revolt has passed by a decade or two. Whereas it would have been a realistic way to run a national campaign in 1968 or 1972, the year of 1984 looks to be a much more peaceful year than America experienced in the sixties and seventies, as has been consistent within the decade.

Jesse L. Jackson of Illinois

Ideology:
Liberal, Progressive, Racial Populist
Endorsements:
Former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Shirley Chisholm of New York
State Senator Decatur "Bucky" Trotter of Maryland
State Delegate Curtis Anderson of Maryland
Summary:
The veteran of the Civil Rights movement and the race's "second Jesse" is not expected to win the nomination. However, what he can and likely will do is break up the South from his white counterpart. What will likely occur is for Jackson to win states with high black Democratic voter registration while Helms will win those with higher white Democratic voter registration. The most likely outcome is for Jackson to win Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, and maybe even South Carolina depending on turnouts, and for Helms to sweep the rest and as well lay claim to the Upper South.

Jackson is a long-time marcher for the cause of equal rights for all Americans. Much of his rhetoric seems to embody the feelings and causes of poor, inner city African-Americans. However, Jackson seems isolated from all other demographics. Disparaging remarks about Jews, obvious racial tension with whites, and split appeal to immigrants and Latinos leave him without a national base. As well, it seems that even some former Civil Rights leaders including Reverend Martin Luther King Jr., Jackson's mentor have trouble with him. King has notably refused to endorse a candidate on either side of the aisle when asked and has spoken highly of Hatfield, Mondale, and Jackson equally. Despite talks of unelectability, Jackson still remains a factor in what appears to be a highly competitive race.
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Relatively small field compared to the eight-man Republican field of four years ago. Oh well.

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Relatively small field compared to the eight-man Republican field of four years ago. Oh well.

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Relatively small field compared to the eight-man Republican field of four years ago. Oh well.

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Guessing that's because Hatfield's more popular than Kennedy?

What were Helms economic views IRL?
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I hope Brown loses but pulls a strong showing, and then comes around to win the next election. Smiley
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Relatively small field compared to the eight-man Republican field of four years ago. Oh well.

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Guessing that's because Hatfield's more popular than Kennedy?

What were Helms economic views IRL?

I guess that's the reason. Really, almost any Republican could've won against Kennedy in the right circumstances except maybe Lindsay, Haig, and McCloskey.

As for Helms, he's worked to moderate on economics somewhat in light of the changing times and changing party. While he's still the advocate of big tobacco and whatnot, he's worked to build up the image of the champion of the poor white southerner in order to build up a state and national base.

I hope Brown loses but pulls a strong showing, and then comes around to win the next election. Smiley

He'll do well and he will be back. Wink
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Potential candidates who declined to run
-Former Vice President George McGovern of South Dakota
-Governor Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York
-Senator John S. McCain III of Arizona
-Former Senator Eugene McCarthy of Minnesota
-Senator James E. Folsom Jr. of Alabama
-Congressman Morris K. Udall of Arizona
-Former Senator Mike Gravel of Alaska
-Energy Secretary James E. Carter of Georgia
-Congressman Larry MacDonald of Georgia
-Governor Edward King of Massachusetts
-Former Senator Adlai E. Stevenson III of Illinois


"The man most qualified to stand up for America, and to bring this party back to its values, is the honorable Senator Jesse A. Helms of North Carolina! This party was founded on the principles of championing the common man, from the days of Jefferson and Jackson, and while it seems that in today's world we may have strayed far from that, it will never be too late to bring it back, and Jesse Helms is going to do that for us! Mondale is that candidate of Big Labor, of liberal social ideals, and most importantly, of government! Were we in the days of our founding, he would undoubtedly find himself allied with the elitist Federalists of old! Not Senator Helms though. His career has been dedicated towards the championing of the average American, not through government expansion, but through strict constitutionalism. That is why I am endorsing him to be the next President of the United States!"
-Congressman Larry MacDonald (D-GA) [July 4th, 1983]


October 3rd, 1983
President Hatfield and Chief of Staff Tom McCall
    McCall: Mark? Mondale's just announced...
    Hatfield: sh**t! What's our latest polling on him?
    McCall: We're not sure sir, but you're assured to be leading. The campaign is busy putting together some numbers and drawing up older numbers.
    Hatfield: Good... Y'know, Mondale's probably one of the few people out there who could actually somehow try to pull together a win out of all this.
    McCall: On behalf of the campaign, we'll be working damn hard to make sure he doesn't.
    Hatfield: Good...

"I keep hearing from a number of supporters in both Arizona and in the country at large, asking me to run for the nomination, and I say to them, three years as a United States Senator does not qualify one to be President of this great country. Now, Walter Mondale has served in this body for four times as much as I. As well, he's has experience before that and served in the army during the Korean War. I endorse him for the Presidency and he is probably the best voice to lead our party that's currently running."
-Senator John McCain of Arizona, press conference, November 1983

February 20th: The Iowa Caucuses (58 delegates)

"Now, I got the call from a friend in Washington the night of the Iowa caucuses. He was calling, yelling some stuff at me about Mondale winning the Iowa caucuses. "No sh**t!" was my reply and he knew I was absolutely right. No surprise there, Mondale's been hot stuff out in the farm states since the seventies. Was anyone even watching this sh**t? The only place anyone was putting their bets on was New Hampshire, the showdown between Farmer-Labor fanboy Wally Mondale and his hangerons, ranging from yippie Jerry Brown to hillbilly bastard Jesse Helms."
-Sheeple: The 1984 Election, Hunter S. Thompson, 1985

"It was quite obvious that Mondale was due to win in Minnesota, the only questions being the margin and who was the lucky one who took second place. Polling showed that the race for second was a two-man struggled between Brown and Helms. Brown was busy trying to win youth voters who had come out in droves for McCarthy four years previously while Helms was trying to win as many farmers away from Mondale as possible. On election night, hard work by both of them paid off as Mondale was kept under fifty percent and both Noel and Jackson found themselves with almost no support at all."
-Inside Look: The 1984 Democratic Fiasco, Mark Dayton, 1992


Mondale: 42%
Brown: 28%
Helms: 26%
Jackson: 3%
Noel: <1%
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February 28th: The New Hampshire Primary (200 delegates)

"Following Iowa, Helms and Jackson both peeled South as opposed to setting out for New Hampshire. After all, only two weeks from the New Hampshire Primary date would be a slew of national primaries including quite a few in the South. It was there that both intended to break out. However, Mondale and Brown both set off determinedly for New Hampshire to face Senator Noeal in the state he'd been laying groundwork in for months. Mondale, despite his momentum, faced the quite realistic possibility that he might lose. Noel, while unlikely to win, could do enough damage to the Mondale campaign in the southern part of the state to hand victory to Brown. However, despite Noel's hard work and Brown's brilliant ability to raise large amounts of volunteers, Mondale had the money advantage. Bombarding the state with ads from early on in the year and raising large audiences at speaking venues, Mondale's Get Out The Vote efforts were able to compete with Brown's volunteers to take center stage in the granite state. Polls early on showed Mondale easily taking many votes in the Northern part of the state, giving him time to focus on the more populous areas to the south, especially along the Massachusetts border. As well, in the final weeks of the campaign, especially in the week between Iowa and New Hampshire, it became clear that Brown, while he had enthusiastic supporters, nevertheless had failed to excite many but for moderates, the youth, and some tax-hating farmers. On February 28th, Mondale was announced the winner early on.

It was noted that taking both Iowa and New Hampshire was not a new phenomenon. After all, Bobby Kennedy had taken both just eight years previous, and he had gone on to win both the nomination and the general election. Nevermind the events of his presidency. Inside the Mondale campaign, the team was immediately working on how to capitalize on the momentum going into the next races. Between the 13th of March and February 28th there were only two, low key races: Vermont and Wyoming. It had already been assumed Brown would be playing hard to win both due to their nature as small races and states where he would have appeal. In order to crush a problem early on, it was decided to pour a small but substantial amount of cash into Vermont but to forget about Wyoming altogether. Looking towards the thirteenth, nine states would be voting. Of those, it was deemed Mondale could count none of those as abosolutely safe. Of those on the list he could stand a good chance of winning under the right circumstances, there were Massachusetts, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, and Washington. However, that was if everything went right. The endorsement of former Governor Jimmy Carter in Georgia was hardly an assurance of complete support there, and Boston Catholics could pose a problem for the campaign in Massachusetts. Florida was a known swing state, even in primary elections and both Hawaii and Washington would be prey to Jerry Brown who himself came from a Pacific state. Therefore, the Mondale campaign would be working incredibly hard in the next two weeks to ensure they kept their front-runner status.

Inside the Brown campaign, the same assessment was made. In the next two weeks he'd be shooting to win Wyoming, Vermont, Washington, Hawaii, Nevada, and even Oklahoma to offset the losses in Iowa and New Hampshire. Jesse Helms and his right-hand man Lee Atwater were busy trying to lock down the solid south. While the majority of the upcoming states could be conceded immediatley, there were four that had to be won: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and Oklahoma. Winning those would immediately not only set Helms up as a serious contender, on par with Mondale, but also as the only serious Southern candidate. "It's quite simple," Atwater was prone to saying, "in these four states, white Democratic registration outranks black Democratic registration. Mississippi and South Carolina could pose problems, however, Jackson should pose no serious threat and Mondale is a joke south of the Mason-Dixon line." Little did Atwater calculate the backlash some of the rhetoric he cooked up would ignite in states where black registration did pose a threat to Helms."
-Inside Look: The 1984 Democratic Fiasco, Mark Dayton, 1992


Mondale-34%
Noel-29%
Brown-26%
Helms-6%
Jackson-5%


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Blue-Senator Walter Mondale of Minnesota
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House: Emken (CA)
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« Reply #971 on: May 06, 2012, 05:39:54 pm »
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Well JR is rooting for Helms & Nagas likes Brown. Who's everyone else rooting for?
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« Reply #972 on: May 06, 2012, 05:45:17 pm »
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I like Helms, I guess....
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« Reply #973 on: May 07, 2012, 07:37:06 pm »
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Relatively small field compared to the eight-man Republican field of four years ago. Oh well.

NOTE: The endorsements will likely be added to as I'm in no mood to research senators from Louisiana and North Dakota.

Guessing that's because Hatfield's more popular than Kennedy?

What were Helms economic views IRL?

I guess that's the reason. Really, almost any Republican could've won against Kennedy in the right circumstances except maybe Lindsay, Haig, and McCloskey.

As for Helms, he's worked to moderate on economics somewhat in light of the changing times and changing party. While he's still the advocate of big tobacco and whatnot, he's worked to build up the image of the champion of the poor white southerner in order to build up a state and national base.

Helms was a huge economic conservative, but he made sure his constituents got their tax dollars' worth.  He supported the Gold Stantards; take out most of the social crap and he's pretty close to otl rand Paul.
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Governor: Brown (CA), Corbett (PA), Scott (FL)
House: Emken (CA)
Other: Rob McCoy (CA Assembly)
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« Reply #974 on: May 07, 2012, 09:29:46 pm »
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