A Second Chance - CONCLUSION

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Great timeline Cathcon.  Next time don't kill Reagan >

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Oh crap....  What's Barry Jr. Doing?  Is James Buckley still senator?  Oh and is Al D'Amato senator?

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Oh crap....  What's Barry Jr. Doing?  Is James Buckley still senator?  Oh and is Al D'Amato senator?

-Barry Goldwater Jr. served as representative from California (1969-1977), and was elected to Reagan's Senate seat when Reagan declined re-election to run for Vice-President.
-James L. Buckley was re-elected narrowly over Congresswoman Bella Abzug in 1976. He is endorsed by the Republican party, but is officially the only member of the Conservative Party in the Senate.
-Jacob Javits was defeated for re-election in 1974. Failing to win re-nomination in 1980, he ran as the candidate of the Liberal Party. With left-wing independent voter turnout at one of its highest points ever, and with liberal Republicans supporting him over the Republican and Democratic nominees, Javits was elected to the Senate. Of note is the fact that New York is represented by a Conservative Senator and a Liberal Senator. In all, New York has a better record of electing members of the Conservative and Liberal parties, with Liberal Mario Cuomo being elected Mayor of New York in 1977.

Oh good.  Is it possible to see governor Ed Koch and/or mayor Bill Buckley soon?

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Eh... maybe a bump?

I don't know...not for a while...he's been working on a super-TL.  Let me see if I can find it...

EDIT: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=146202.0

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I'm hoping to update this weekend. Not sure what I'll update about, but I'll think of something.

Sounds good to me!

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I like Hatfield.  I hope he picks Robert Taft Jr. as his running mate in 1980!  Or Buckley

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Yes!  An update!

Rudy!  Rudy!  Rudy!  Rudy!  .  Koch for governor!

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Don't mind me, I'm just your friendly bump man

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Don't mind me, I'm just your friendly bump man

It's all a matter of what I choose to focus on, and sadly, the choices have to include school.

You are wrong, I say pumpkins.

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McCain and Giluani as Democrats? ITSTL.

What's "ITSTL" mean?

Its the sh^t TL?

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I think the reason why they are Democrats is because neocons and moderate nationalists still found a place in the Democratic party because the Kennedys weren't shot....and under their leadership, the Democratic Party the McGoverns and Mondales didn't scare of those center to center-left hawks. ..and because they never were scared off, they never adopt the sectarian nationalism or neoliberalism of the OTL Go'P.

Not to derail this, but is neoliberalism the same as capitalism, or is it corporatism?

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What about Harry F. Byrd, Jr.?  What's he doing?  (I'm a hipster when it comes to politicians, sorry )

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And Mansfield too

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Great update!  What about Wally Hickel?  (Sorry about all my requests )

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...And we made it to page sixty!

FYI: The Gravel button is just a touched up 2008 one worked on with MS paint.

Yeah I thought as much.  I'm really liking this, and hope you can continue this while juggling everything else

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This is great. Interesting to see the Democrats as the party of the establishment, and the party of hawks.

And the GOP as the party of classical liberalism.

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Who's the pope right now?  Still John Paul II?

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And can I get a shout-out to Barry Jr.?  . Thanks

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Who's the pope right now?  Still John Paul II?

I'm a Catholic, and I'm not inclined to use alternate history to change anything going on in the selection of a Pope.

And can I get a shout-out to Barry Jr.?  . Thanks

I know, but I like him and James Buckley .  Also, I know this is a primarily American tl, but I'm
an altar boy, but I still like to change things up a bit with the pope
He got one back in 1981, and he'll have his time in the limelight when the government turns its efforts towards handling the War on Drugs (which Agnew started back in like early 1974 or late 1973).
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Hatfield.  Ugh he's not even a fun libertarian.  He's the bad kind. .  Might there be a primary challenge, or a conservative uprising in the Democratic Party?  A certain Dixie bulldog from North Carolina, perhaps?  . Also, sorry for all the comments, but I was wondering what my favorite New York Senator is doing, and the one who lost, sadly, ITTL.  (Buckley and D'Amato! ).  Also, great update!

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Hatfield.  Ugh he's not even a fun libertarian.  He's the bad kind. .  Might there be a primary challenge, or a conservative uprising in the Democratic Party?  A certain Dixie bulldog from North Carolina, perhaps?  .

Whadday mean he's not fun!?!? 'Kay so he's moderate. Afghanistan isn't even figuring big in the big picture right now. Assuming you want balanced budgets, expanded civil liberties, and dovishness on foreign policy, trust me, as 1982 and 1983 roll by, you'll be seeing that.

And as for the Democrats, Helms does have aspirations though I don't plan on letting him near the executive branch. Right now the poll frontrunners for the nomination include Mondale and McGovern from the party's left, Helms is the champion of Dixie and oen of Hatfield's worst enemies. Also, there may be two reverends making their political debuts in 1984. As for Northern labor populists, Senator Phillip W. Noel (i think that's the name) is a potential candidate. As you've seen, Moynihan is mentioned and is the best candidate to combine labor and foreign policy realists/hawks despite not really being suited for today's more direct democracy. Then of course there's Senator Jerry Brown out West, probably one of the last libertarian Democrats in the party who'll be running as the party's centrist candidate. Like with all real life elections, I plan on having 1984 be chock-full of candidates. As for challenging Hatfield, I plan on him being popular, plus the last four incumbent Presidents (Nixon, JFK, Bush, RFK) have been challenged for re-nomination and now the country would like to feel more united, especially after the sh**t storm of the 1970's.

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Not much of an update on that. Buckley may be proposing a human life amendment soon as he did in RL back in '74. Both Agnew and Bush were pro-choice, and now there's a pro-life Republican with a Senate majority in office. Still, it's not the best environment for that sort of thing with the pro-choice Baker leading the party. A coalition of social conservatives across the board could lead to some success, but right now the economy's the major focus and tensions are running high inside the higher chamber. Not sure what D'Amoto's doing as I'm not familiar with his career.

Major domestic legislation, especially on social issues, will be debuting in 1982 and 1983. YOu may like or dis-like it as you please.

NO REVERANDS!  Only Liberal Catholic Popes!  Who run for Pope!  Who don't like Alter Boys!

Now for D'Amato, according to Wikipedia, "His political career started with the Nassau County Republican Party, and he held the appointive position of Public Administrator of Nassau County, where he was responsible for managing the assets of county residents who died without wills. He was first appointed and then elected Receiver of Taxes of Hempstead, New York. He left this office to become a town supervisor in Hempstead and in 1977 he was elected presiding supervisor. He was also vice chairman of the Nassau County Board of Supervisors from 1977 to 1980.[2]
Despite being a rather obscure candidate, he defeated incumbent Sen. Jacob Javits by 56% to 44% in the 1980 Republican primary election, after Javits' 1979 diagnosis of generally fatal amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. Javits nevertheless pursued the seat on the Liberal Party ticket, splitting the left-wing vote in ordinarily liberal New York with Democratic Congresswoman Elizabeth Holtzman and leading to D'Amato's 45% plurality victory."

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I guess I'll just say he beat Javits in the 1980 NY primary, only to lose to Javits in the general who was running on the Liberal ticket. From there, he's considered one of the leaders of the state's weak GOP and it's hoped he could beat Moynihan in 1982 as both the Conservative and Republican nominee. But who knows?

Neat!

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And Javits is gonna die before his term is up, so who knows?

You always know what to say

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This thread is really having a horrible time of the bump.  This bump is LOUDER and scarier than all it's had before.

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What about my favorite latter-day DINO, Joe Lieberman?