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« on: November 29, 2010, 11:46:52 AM »

What should he be charged with for this latest leak of classified documents (if anything)?

So far, there's a pretty wide partisan range of support for prosecution:

"This is extremely damaging to U.S. troops, U.S. interests and U.S. intelligence.  They are engaged in terrorist activity.  What they're doing is clearly aiding and abetting terrorist groups.  Either we're serious about this or we're not." - Rep. Peter King (R-NY)

"To the extent that we can find anybody who was involved in the breaking of American law and who has put at risk the assets and the people that I have described they will be held responsible, they will be held accountable." - Eric  Holder

"I also urge the Obama administration, both on its own and in cooperation with other responsible governments around the world, to use all legal means necessary to shut down WikiLeaks before it can do more damage by releasing additional cables." - Joe Lieberman

"The people who are leaking these documents need a gut check about their patriotism, and I think they're enjoying the attention they're getting but, frankly, it's coming at a very high price in terms of protecting our men and women in uniform.  I hope that we can figure out where this is coming from and go after them with the force of law." - Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2010, 11:49:39 AM »

Nothing.
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2010, 11:53:48 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2010, 11:55:00 AM »

He should be treated as what he is - a foreign spy - and dealt with like other foreign spies.
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2010, 11:55:35 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2010, 11:56:53 AM »

Ticker Tape Parade.
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2010, 11:57:07 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2010, 11:58:10 AM »

Presidential Medal of Freedom maybe?
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2010, 11:59:32 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2010, 11:59:37 AM »

He should be treated as what he is - a foreign spy - and dealt with like other foreign spies.

I'd tend to agree with this.  If a member of the KGB/FSB did this, and simply brought it back to Russia, he'd be charged with espionage.  Why should it be any different if somebody simply makes classified documents public instead of taking them back to his/her government secretly?
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2010, 12:00:37 PM »

So, my question to everybody who says, "Nothing." ... should the U.S. not charge people with espionage?  And if we do, how are those people any different than Assange?
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2010, 12:04:37 PM »

Medal of Honour? Order of Canada? Legion d'honneur?
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2010, 12:10:17 PM »

He should be treated as what he is - a foreign spy - and dealt with like other foreign spies.

Agreed.

And any American citizens who conspired with him should be charged with treason.
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2010, 12:11:24 PM »

So, my question to everybody who says, "Nothing." ... should the U.S. not charge people with espionage?  And if we do, how are those people any different than Assange?

Uh, Inks and cinyc and don, the guy who allegedly gave him this stuff is being charged.  
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2010, 12:12:05 PM »

Very little of what he has leaked is damaging to anyone but the criminals and murderers who he is exposing.
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2010, 12:14:51 PM »

So, my question to everybody who says, "Nothing." ... should the U.S. not charge people with espionage?  And if we do, how are those people any different than Assange?

Uh, Inks and cinyc, the guy who allegedly gave him this stuff is being charged.  

What Assange has done is still clearly covered under U.S. Code Chapter 37, Section 793...

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/37/793
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2010, 12:16:50 PM »
« Edited: November 29, 2010, 12:18:54 PM by Grumpy Grinch Gramps »

So, my question to everybody who says, "Nothing." ... should the U.S. not charge people with espionage?  And if we do, how are those people any different than Assange?

Uh, Inks and cinyc, the guy who allegedly gave him this stuff is being charged.  

What Assange has done is still clearly covered under U.S. Code Chapter 37, Section 793...

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/37/793

So the U.S. decides if the information "injures" the U.S.?  Convenient.

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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2010, 12:18:25 PM »

So, my question to everybody who says, "Nothing." ... should the U.S. not charge people with espionage?  And if we do, how are those people any different than Assange?

Uh, Inks and cinyc and don, the guy who allegedly gave him this stuff is being charged.  

As he should be.  But that doesn't absolve Assange from any liability should he ever be caught.
  
Like other foreign spies, Assange might never be caught- but that's a totally different issue.  As is whether he, like other notorious foreign spies, might meet a different end than being hauled into court.
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2010, 12:19:07 PM »

So, my question to everybody who says, "Nothing." ... should the U.S. not charge people with espionage?  And if we do, how are those people any different than Assange?

Uh, Inks and cinyc and don, the guy who allegedly gave him this stuff is being charged.  

As he should be.  But that doesn't absolve Assange from any liability should he ever be caught.
 
Like other foreign spies, Assange might never be caught- but that's a totally different issue.

Anyone........has the U.S. called for his arrest?

I'll answer my own question - The White House apparently isn't.
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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2010, 12:19:41 PM »

LOL, "espionage", "treason", "foreign spy".  Good luck getting him extradited to a country that still has a federal death penalty for such offenses, guys.
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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2010, 12:20:51 PM »

Gramps, section (e) states:

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Surely there's reason to believe that this information that was leaked could be used to the injury of the U.S.  Even if Assange didn't have the intent to injure the U.S., he can still be charged.
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2010, 12:22:17 PM »

Gramps, section (e) states:

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Surely there's reason to believe that this information that was leaked could be used to the injury of the U.S.  Even if Assange didn't have the intent to injure the U.S., he can still be charged.


So the U.S. decides if the information "injures" the U.S.?  Convenient.

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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2010, 12:23:39 PM »

LOL, "espionage", "treason", "foreign spy".  Good luck getting him extradited to a country that still has a federal death penalty for such offenses, guys.

If he's charged under 18 U.S.C. § 793, he'd get at most 10 years in prison and the possibility of a fine.
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2010, 12:26:10 PM »

Inks, I"m being serious here, why isn't Gibbs or Obama himself calling for his arrest and deportation to the U.S.?  Or did they and I missed it?
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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2010, 12:26:46 PM »

Gramps, section (e) states:

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Surely there's reason to believe that this information that was leaked could be used to the injury of the U.S.  Even if Assange didn't have the intent to injure the U.S., he can still be charged.


So the U.S. decides if the information "injures" the U.S.?  Convenient.


When building the case, yes.  When prosecuting him, that'd ultimately be left up to a jury.

Who else is supposed to decide what injures the U.S.?  Should we not have gone after the Rosenbergs simply because you see a conflict of interest in who is defining espionage?
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