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« on: December 01, 2010, 02:24:18 am »
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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2010, 02:25:33 am »
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58% of adults favor allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly

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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2010, 02:29:14 am »
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58% of adults favor allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly

Yeah, so out of touch.

That's all adults.  Among teabaggers it's only 38%.

Always helps to RTFA, you know.
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2010, 02:34:56 am »
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58% of adults favor allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly

Yeah, so out of touch.

That's all adults.  Among teabaggers it's only 38%.

Always helps to RTFA, you know.

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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2010, 02:37:53 am »
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So you're saying that a 20-point deficit between teabaggers and normal people is not a sign of them being out of touch?  (I assumed your initial statement was sarcastic.  That's your usual delivery.)
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2010, 02:53:44 am »
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The Tea Party isn't taking a stance on the issue.  People who call themselves members of the Tea Party may be opposed, but the Tea Party organizations aren't exactly focusing on DADT.
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2010, 03:08:34 am »
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The Tea Party isn't taking a stance on the issue.  People who call themselves members of the Tea Party may be opposed, but the Tea Party organizations aren't exactly focusing on DADT.

Nobody in this thread, the article, or the Pew poll has thus far claimed otherwise.
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2010, 07:26:16 am »
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So you're saying that a 20-point deficit between teabaggers and normal people is not a sign of them being out of touch? 
20 points difference on a politicized issue is not a lot. This thread has been such a disappointment.
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2010, 11:51:36 am »
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The Tea Party isn't taking a stance on the issue.  People who call themselves members of the Tea Party may be opposed, but the Tea Party organizations aren't exactly focusing on DADT.

Nobody in this thread, the article, or the Pew poll has thus far claimed otherwise.

I know... just a preemptive note.
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2010, 12:33:41 pm »
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And there's an even greater gulf between Democratic partisans and the general public on affirmative action.  Your point?
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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2010, 12:39:24 pm »
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And there's an even greater gulf between Democratic partisans and the general public on affirmative action.  Your point?

As well as a greater rift between hard-left progressives -- like the kind who support slavery mandatory national service -- and the public.
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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2010, 12:46:59 pm »
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And there's an even greater gulf between Democratic partisans and the general public on affirmative action.  Your point?

As well as a greater rift between hard-left progressives -- like the kind who support slavery mandatory national service -- and the public.
As well as a larger percentage of Democrats are pro-choice than the general public.
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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2010, 02:36:48 pm »
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A 20% difference isn't really a lot. It'd be strange, in a two-party system, if people in one party shared the views of the average voter.
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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2010, 03:24:48 pm »
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Because we all know that gay issues are the only ones the American public really cares about.  And they are the most important priority, ahead of the economy, jobs, taxes, the deficit and everything else.
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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2010, 04:18:00 pm »
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And there's an even greater gulf between Democratic partisans and the general public on affirmative action.  Your point?

As well as a greater rift between hard-left progressives -- like the kind who support slavery mandatory national service -- and the public.

Umm, it's the right wing who usually support conscription Roll Eyes
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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2010, 04:48:00 pm »
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And there's an even greater gulf between Democratic partisans and the general public on affirmative action.  Your point?

As well as a greater rift between hard-left progressives -- like the kind who support slavery mandatory national service -- and the public.

Umm, it's the right wing who usually support conscription Roll Eyes
Most cases I can think of its more often the left supporting conscription. Lincoln, Wilson, FDR (started the first peacetime draft), LBJ.

Here are a few other countries with conscription:
Bolivia
Moldova
China
Russia
Venezuela
Pretty much all of N. Africa
Brazil
Vietnam

There are some right-wing countries that use conscription, but they are in the minority. 
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2010, 05:36:49 pm »
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And there's an even greater gulf between Democratic partisans and the general public on affirmative action.  Your point?

As well as a greater rift between hard-left progressives -- like the kind who support slavery mandatory national service -- and the public.

Umm, it's the right wing who usually support conscription Roll Eyes
Most cases I can think of its more often the left supporting conscription. Lincoln, Wilson, FDR (started the first peacetime draft), LBJ.

Here are a few other countries with conscription:
Bolivia
Moldova
China
Russia
Venezuela
Pretty much all of N. Africa
Brazil
Vietnam

There are some right-wing countries that use conscription, but they are in the minority. 

Who includes Lincoln or Wilson on the "left wing"? Or most of Northern Africa, Brazil, or Russia for that matter.
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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2010, 05:48:09 pm »
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And there's an even greater gulf between Democratic partisans and the general public on affirmative action.  Your point?

As well as a greater rift between hard-left progressives -- like the kind who support slavery mandatory national service -- and the public.

Umm, it's the right wing who usually support conscription Roll Eyes
Most cases I can think of its more often the left supporting conscription. Lincoln, Wilson, FDR (started the first peacetime draft), LBJ.

Here are a few other countries with conscription:
Bolivia
Moldova
China
Russia
Venezuela
Pretty much all of N. Africa
Brazil
Vietnam

There are some right-wing countries that use conscription, but they are in the minority. 

Who includes Lincoln or Wilson on the "left wing"? Or most of Northern Africa, Brazil, or Russia for that matter.

Ok, ignore the others for a moment, please explain how Wilson was right-wing? And please do not just say because he was racist.
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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2010, 06:08:25 pm »
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And there's an even greater gulf between Democratic partisans and the general public on affirmative action.  Your point?

As well as a greater rift between hard-left progressives -- like the kind who support slavery mandatory national service -- and the public.

Umm, it's the right wing who usually support conscription Roll Eyes
Most cases I can think of its more often the left supporting conscription. Lincoln, Wilson, FDR (started the first peacetime draft), LBJ.

Here are a few other countries with conscription:
Bolivia
Moldova
China
Russia
Venezuela
Pretty much all of N. Africa
Brazil
Vietnam

There are some right-wing countries that use conscription, but they are in the minority. 

Who includes Lincoln or Wilson on the "left wing"? Or most of Northern Africa, Brazil, or Russia for that matter.

Ok, ignore the others for a moment, please explain how Wilson was right-wing? And please do not just say because he was racist.

He might not be "right wing" but he's certainly not "left wing".
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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2010, 06:28:44 pm »
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Ok, ignore the others for a moment, please explain how Wilson was right-wing? And please do not just say because he was racist.

Wilson was both an enemy of the radical left and a conciliator to it at the same time. A staunch social conservative and a stark raving populist at the same time.

I wouldn't call him right-wing either, since I don't subscribe to the popular version of the right-left bit of fun, but its really just a question of what sort of model for the right-left dichotomy you are using. The typical one in use by rightists today ignores too much of the actual origins of the dichotomy.
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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2010, 08:15:18 pm »
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Uh...most people who support conscription in the US tend to be economic leftists.
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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2010, 08:36:12 pm »
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Uh...most people who support conscription in the US tend to be economic leftists.

Protip: If you're going to make such an incredibly subjective claim like that, please at least provide some details and/or evidence to back it up. If you want some advice, PM me.
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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2010, 08:42:25 pm »
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Uh...most people who support conscription in the US tend to be economic leftists.

Protip: If you're going to make such an incredibly subjective claim like that, please at least provide some details and/or evidence to back it up. If you want some advice, PM me.

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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2010, 08:45:34 pm »
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Internet liberals?

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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2010, 08:52:11 pm »
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Uh...most people who support conscription in the US tend to be economic leftists.

Protip: If you're going to make such an incredibly subjective claim like that, please at least provide some details and/or evidence to back it up. If you want some advice, PM me.

Rahm Emmanuel, Charles Rangel, Internet liberals?

I'm an economic leftist, and I disagree with all of those on at least 60% of economic issues.
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