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« Reply #400 on: October 25, 2011, 04:16:40 am »

Fred Karger says that if Florida doesn't move its primary to a later date, he'll boycott Florida orange juice:

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20111025/LOCALVOICES/710259991

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There is actually no mechanism for Florida to change its primary date again even if it wanted to, as the legislature isn't going to meet in time for it to happen.  So I guess Karger is going to boycott Florida orange juice.

Meanwhile, it looks like Florida is not only going earlier than the RNC rules call for, but they'll stick with a statewide WTA allocation of their delegates, which also violates RNC rules:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/os-presidential-campaigns-in-florida-20111024,0,1721196.story

But the RNC is not going to give them any additional punishment, because there actually is no provision in the RNC rules for penalty harsher than the 50% delegate penalty that they're already getting.  Arizona may also end up sticking with its statewide WTA rule, since it's also going to lose half its delegates for going early anyway.

It's unclear if this means that the RNC won't enforce the proportionality rules at all, or if this is just a loophole for the states that are already losing half their delegates for going early.  For many states, it might actually be worth it to take a 50% delegate penalty in exchange for doing statewide WTA.  Unclear how many will do this.
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« Reply #401 on: October 25, 2011, 10:02:49 am »
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« Reply #402 on: October 25, 2011, 06:51:35 pm »
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Your loss, Karger.
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If anyone took him seriously they should see how screwed up he is. Why would he strive to destroy an economy to punish a political party picking a date for their state?

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« Reply #403 on: October 26, 2011, 05:54:59 am »

I swear, if I hear "Florida single-handedly screwed up the primary calendar" one more time, I'm going to scream.

Look, if Florida had gone with a much later date, then Iowa would have gone just one week later, or *possibly* two weeks later than its currently scheduled January 3.  That's it.  Not a month later.  Iowa in February was never going to happen, because several other states were already going to be in February anyway, and IA/NH/NV/SC were going to jump them.  Colorado and Minnesota caucuses on Feb. 7 means that the primaries were inevitably going to start in the first half of January.
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« Reply #404 on: October 29, 2011, 01:54:28 pm »
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When is New Hampshire supposed to decide on a date, thus completing the calendar?
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« Reply #405 on: October 29, 2011, 04:19:25 pm »

From a couple of days ago:

http://twitter.com/#!/JamesPindell/status/128862520931909632

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« Reply #406 on: October 29, 2011, 05:38:45 pm »
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From a couple of days ago:

http://twitter.com/#!/JamesPindell/status/128862520931909632

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Okay, that's what I thought, I just know how loosely a time frame can be kept.
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« Reply #407 on: November 01, 2011, 05:05:53 am »

Gardner will apparently set the NH primary date on Wednesday morning:

http://frontloading.blogspot.com/2011/10/gardner-to-set-new-hampshire-primary.html
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« Reply #408 on: November 01, 2011, 11:03:13 am »
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According to the article you posted, it looks like January 10 will indeed be chosen for the first-in-the-nation primary.  This puts the nominating season starting in just 9 weeks from today with the Iowa Caucuses on Tuesday, January 3, 2012.
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« Reply #409 on: November 02, 2011, 10:28:20 am »
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According to the Associated Press, Gardner has officially set the New Hampshire primary for Tuesday, January 10, 2012.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/02/breaking-new-hampshire-primary-date-set/
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« Reply #410 on: November 02, 2011, 04:18:14 pm »

NH to Jan. 10.  The calendar in the OP has been updated.
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« Reply #411 on: November 02, 2011, 07:18:49 pm »
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Gentlemen, your work here is completed!
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« Reply #412 on: November 02, 2011, 08:06:49 pm »
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We can officially begin the countdown to the nominating season!! Iowa is just 2 months from tomorrow. Smiley
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« Reply #413 on: November 06, 2011, 02:04:31 am »

It's not necessarily over.  There's still talk of possible primary date moves in both Massachusetts and Ohio:

http://frontloading.blogspot.com/2011/10/in-massachusetts-talk-of-primary.html

http://frontloading.blogspot.com/2011/11/ohio-presidential-primary-back-to-march.html

But the pre-Super Tuesday calendar seems to be set.  I'll also add the dates for US territories when I get a chance.
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« Reply #414 on: November 06, 2011, 08:14:30 pm »
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It's not necessarily over.  There's still talk of possible primary date moves in both Massachusetts and Ohio:

http://frontloading.blogspot.com/2011/10/in-massachusetts-talk-of-primary.html

http://frontloading.blogspot.com/2011/11/ohio-presidential-primary-back-to-march.html

But the pre-Super Tuesday calendar seems to be set.  I'll also add the dates for US territories when I get a chance.


Ohio and Massachusetts are really immaterial right now.  We've got a half dozen states or more before Super Tuesday.  January looks like a fun month before a 3-week February break.
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« Reply #415 on: November 06, 2011, 08:16:33 pm »
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I though Ohio had already decided March 6.
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« Reply #416 on: November 06, 2011, 08:17:44 pm »
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I though Ohio had already decided March 6.

They've since changed it to June to align with the other statewide primaries and to give them time to pass the map for the new districts.
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« Reply #417 on: November 06, 2011, 11:24:17 pm »
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The debate line-ups are getting boring. When is someone going to drop out?
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« Reply #418 on: November 07, 2011, 12:36:24 am »
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The debate line-ups are getting boring. When is someone going to drop out?

At this point, not until after Iowa at the earliest, and probably not until after New Hampshire.
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« Reply #419 on: November 07, 2011, 10:07:51 pm »
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« Reply #420 on: November 12, 2011, 03:39:42 pm »
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52 days until Iowa - 51 if you don't count today.
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« Reply #421 on: November 12, 2011, 09:54:46 pm »
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Bushie, please stop keeping track when January 3rd is.
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« Reply #422 on: November 13, 2011, 12:46:09 am »
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It's only 9 days after Christmas. He could countdown to that instead.
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« Reply #423 on: November 15, 2011, 08:40:42 pm »
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It's still too soon to say the calendar is set in stone.  The case concerning how the South Carolina primary is to be paid for (and by whom) was heard at our Supreme Court yesterday.  Chief Justice Toal was skeptical of the counties' claims, but Associate Justice Beatty was appreciative. While I think the plaintiffs will be unsuccessful, if the GOP has to conduct the primary itself and use paper ballots, then it is possible that the primary could be delayed since the change requires DOJ clearance.


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« Reply #424 on: November 27, 2011, 04:11:51 am »

I've mentioned before that the new RNC rules imposing PR on the early states are really imposing "faux-PR".  It's not really proportional.  But it is clearly meant to be something other than pure statewide WTA.

But I've also mentioned how it's not clear whether the RNC is really going to enforce that rule or not.  This op/ed in Politico asks whether the RNC is actually going to enforce that rule at all:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/69048.html

And in fact, it questions whether the RNC rules even allow for them to enforce the rule.  Have they made a rule that without an enforcement mechanism for breaking it?

The op/ed gets a few details wrong, but if I'm reading the situation correctly, it sounds like a slew of states that either use WTA or open primaries may end up facing credentials challenges at the convention, *if* anyone there actually tried to challenge them (which probably won't happen).  Or perhaps they can become delegates, but they're technically "unpledged", and don't really have to vote for the candidate who won their primary (though they presumably would vote for the presumptive nominee, assuming there is a presumptive nominee).

Bottom line, this may mean nothing if, like every other presidential primary contest for the last 30+ years, there is a presumptive nominee at the end of the primary voting process.  But in the unlikely event that there's a brokered convention scenario, then the RNC may have invited legal armageddon over its attempt to revise its delegate selection rules without more clearly delineating the enforcement mechanism.
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