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« Reply #100 on: December 10, 2010, 04:02:37 AM »

Couldn't the military separate gays into their own special unit? Women are already mostly separated from men, separate bunks, showers.

They don't do that in several other NATO countries and Israel, despite the fact that gays may serve openly; there is no evidence of any issues with unit cohesion, morale, or readiness in those countries' services.


We're talking about the US military. Co-ed units do not exist, should mixed hetero/homosexual units exist? I have no problem with the military separating behaviors, like men/women.
Basic training, ground combat and submarines are the only places women can't serve along side men in the US military and submarine one is in the process of changing.  Also, it's not like thousands of women haven't been shot at and shot back at the bad guys in our last several military actions due to the asymmetrical way our enemies chose to fight us.  They just aren't allowed in pure ground combat units.  Every unit I was in (except in Basic and even then we had a "sister" Flight) had women in it.  With an exception or two they made pretty lousy technicians.
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« Reply #101 on: December 10, 2010, 08:44:03 AM »

Couldn't the military separate gays into their own special unit? Women are already mostly separated from men, separate bunks, showers.

Ah, government mandated segregation. Sounds lovely. Viva Plessy.
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« Reply #102 on: December 10, 2010, 08:49:46 AM »

Wait wait......don't you boys know the Republicans have principles?  They're standing on principle blocking all legislation until the tax deal goes through.  It's a shame we just don't understand, eh fellas?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #103 on: December 10, 2010, 09:05:43 AM »

My prediction is at least 65-35 passage, if not 70-30 as a stand-alone bill.

65-35?  that's 7 out of 42 GOP Senators....no way.  every GOP member knows whoever votes for repeal of DADT will be primaried.  at most, you'll have 2-3 GOP defections.  The GOP is simply trying to stall until January, when there wont be a snow ball's chance of this passing.  They should be honest and state their opposition.

but, again, probably only half of the GOP Senators are social conservatives at heart.
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« Reply #104 on: December 10, 2010, 09:34:24 AM »

My prediction is at least 65-35 passage, if not 70-30 as a stand-alone bill.

65-35?  that's 7 out of 42 GOP Senators....no way.  every GOP member knows whoever votes for repeal of DADT will be primaried.  at most, you'll have 2-3 GOP defections.  The GOP is simply trying to stall until January, when there wont be a snow ball's chance of this passing.  They should be honest and state their opposition.

I can't believe that even extreme fiscal conservatives are going to be primaried for voting to repeal DADT in an age where most people are more worried about the economy and jobs
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« Reply #105 on: December 10, 2010, 09:45:02 AM »

My prediction is at least 65-35 passage, if not 70-30 as a stand-alone bill.

65-35?  that's 7 out of 42 GOP Senators....no way.  every GOP member knows whoever votes for repeal of DADT will be primaried.  at most, you'll have 2-3 GOP defections.  The GOP is simply trying to stall until January, when there wont be a snow ball's chance of this passing.  They should be honest and state their opposition.

I can't believe that even extreme fiscal conservatives are going to be primaried for voting to repeal DADT in an age where most people are more worried about the economy and jobs

An IIRC it was close to 80% in favor of repeal in the polls.......so yeah, I think it will be "bipartisan".
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« Reply #106 on: December 10, 2010, 10:48:45 AM »

My prediction is at least 65-35 passage, if not 70-30 as a stand-alone bill.

65-35?  that's 7 out of 42 GOP Senators....no way.  every GOP member knows whoever votes for repeal of DADT will be primaried.  at most, you'll have 2-3 GOP defections.  The GOP is simply trying to stall until January, when there wont be a snow ball's chance of this passing.  They should be honest and state their opposition.

I can't believe that even extreme fiscal conservatives are going to be primaried for voting to repeal DADT in an age where most people are more worried about the economy and jobs

who are these "extreme fiscal conservatives" of the GOP who are leaning to vote for repeal? 
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« Reply #107 on: December 10, 2010, 10:52:14 AM »

Memphis, behavior =/= race. Get it? So I suppose you support coed showers and bunking?
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« Reply #108 on: December 10, 2010, 12:16:57 PM »

For the five hundredth time, homosexuality is a BEHAVIOR it's not the same as race.

I guess if you just keep repeating a lie, then you'll expect people to believe it?
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« Reply #109 on: December 10, 2010, 12:27:14 PM »

True, heterosexual sex isn't a behavior either. Guess your post dodges mean I'm right again.
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« Reply #110 on: December 10, 2010, 12:31:13 PM »

Being homosexual is as much a behavior as writing with your left hand.
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« Reply #111 on: December 10, 2010, 12:43:14 PM »

Ah, so sexual behavior is a myth. Ok, I apologize then.
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« Reply #112 on: December 10, 2010, 12:50:51 PM »

For the five hundredth time, homosexuality is a BEHAVIOR it's not the same as race.

I guess if you just keep repeating a lie, then you'll expect people to believe it?

Isn't that the motto of the Republican party?
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« Reply #113 on: December 10, 2010, 12:55:08 PM »

Ah, so sexual behavior is a myth. Ok, I apologize then.

Behavior is what you do, not what orientation you have...is that so complicated? You have your own views about what constitutes acceptable behavior, of course.

Why is it any different to allow homosexuals to serve....than, say, allowing hot women that I'd like to have sex with to serve?
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« Reply #114 on: December 10, 2010, 12:58:34 PM »

I guess if you just keep repeating a lie, then you'll expect people to believe it?

Isn't that the motto of the Republican party?

I believe that's the motto of virtually every political party.
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« Reply #115 on: December 10, 2010, 01:10:28 PM »

Well States the blacks could just paint themselves white so that they could be "normal" like you want them.   After all, that's essentially what you're asking gay and lesbian men and women to do.

LOL, you're an idiot.

So then you fully support co-ed military units? Quit making up lies and answer the question.

For the five hundredth time, homosexuality is a BEHAVIOR it's not the same as race.

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« Reply #116 on: December 10, 2010, 01:11:22 PM »

I guess if you just keep repeating a lie, then you'll expect people to believe it?

Isn't that the motto of the Republican party?

I believe that's the motto of virtually every political party.

Hey, at least Democrats don't ignore scientific facts if they contradict their moralistic, biblical fantasies.
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« Reply #117 on: December 10, 2010, 01:11:34 PM »

True, heterosexual sex isn't a behavior either. Guess your post dodges mean I'm right again.

Mu.
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« Reply #118 on: December 10, 2010, 01:30:08 PM »

In other news, it appears that outgoing Senator Blanche Lincoln - who was on the wrong end of a 57% to 37% landslide, setting a new record for an incumbent Senator's defeat Wink - missed the vote because she was at a dentist appointment.
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« Reply #119 on: December 10, 2010, 01:35:14 PM »

Mu.  Because of mu, you have contributed to keeping up something that has harmed the military and has kept qualified individuals from serving.

"mu"?!  Oh, I get it...[clears throat] Baa-ram-ewe. Baa-ram-ewe. To your breed, your fleece, your clan be true. Sheep be true. Baa-ram-ewe.


You're raving.

so, does this mean "mu" isn't sheep talk?! 

How about moose talk?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVqG8DuA5As
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« Reply #120 on: December 10, 2010, 01:38:58 PM »

Nope.  It is a third option to "yes" or "no," meaning that you consider the questioner's point to be either irrelevant or to be thoroughly constructed with questionable or incorrect assumptions, but where you realize you're not getting paid to play surgeon with their points.  It is, in my view, similar to the concept of "not even wrong."
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« Reply #121 on: December 10, 2010, 01:41:33 PM »

Nope.  It is a third option to "yes" or "no," meaning that you consider the questioner's point to be either irrelevant or to be thoroughly constructed with questionable or incorrect assumptions, but where you realize you're not getting paid to play surgeon with their points.  It is, in my view, similar to the concept of "not even wrong."


HA!  So, it's basically a retort to anything Al Gore says.  Why didn't you just say so?
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« Reply #122 on: December 10, 2010, 02:20:20 PM »

In other news, it appears that outgoing Senator Blanche Lincoln - who was on the wrong end of a 57% to 37% landslide, setting a new record for an incumbent Senator's defeat Wink - missed the vote because she was at a dentist appointment.

Hey, at least she managed to pass what was undoubtedly a top priority among Arkansas voters: to lower the estate tax.
Now that's a legacy that will live along those of Ted Kennedy and Howard Baker.
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« Reply #123 on: December 10, 2010, 04:24:54 PM »

My prediction is at least 65-35 passage, if not 70-30 as a stand-alone bill.

65-35?  that's 7 out of 42 GOP Senators....no way.  every GOP member knows whoever votes for repeal of DADT will be primaried.  at most, you'll have 2-3 GOP defections.  The GOP is simply trying to stall until January, when there wont be a snow ball's chance of this passing.  They should be honest and state their opposition.

but, again, probably only half of the GOP Senators are social conservatives at heart.

1. Collins
2. Snowe
3. Brown
4. Murkowski
5. Graham
6. Hatch
7. Paul

That's at least 7.
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« Reply #124 on: December 10, 2010, 04:28:05 PM »

My prediction is at least 65-35 passage, if not 70-30 as a stand-alone bill.

65-35?  that's 7 out of 42 GOP Senators....no way.  every GOP member knows whoever votes for repeal of DADT will be primaried.  at most, you'll have 2-3 GOP defections.  The GOP is simply trying to stall until January, when there wont be a snow ball's chance of this passing.  They should be honest and state their opposition.

but, again, probably only half of the GOP Senators are social conservatives at heart.

1. Collins
2. Snowe
3. Brown
4. Murkowski
5. Graham
6. Hatch
7. Paul

That's at least 7.

LOL at Hatch. The guy has become worse than McCain (not that it will save him in the primary).
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