How would you vote ...

[Tender Branson]

>30 year olds and women want to keep the draft ?

No, "Ja" means keeping the draft.

Women say: 42% "Ja/Yes" - keep the draft and 46% say "Nein/No"

Under-30-olds: 28% want the draft to continue and 64% not.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Oh, that makes a lot more sense now...

So the question asked is basically "do you want not to abolish the draft ?". Looks quite retarded.

[Franzl]

Or: Do you want to keep the draft?

[Antonio the Sixth]

But referendums are to make a change, and traditionally the option "yes" indicates change while "no" indicates continuity.

[Tender Branson]

But referendums are to make a change, and traditionally the option "yes" indicates change while "no" indicates continuity.

I don't think the question will be answered with "Yes" or "No" when a referendum takes place.

I think there will be 2 proposals and you can choose between them.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Oh, so that just means the poll phrased the question stupidly.

[RFQ]

Times have changed and conscription is no longer necessary

[Tender Branson]

New Market poll for the newspaper "Standard":

50%  (+9) Professional Army
45% (-11) Draft

Austrians were also asked if they support the EU, US and also a (not happening) Austrian intervention in Libya:

EU: 40% in favor, 40% oppose, 20% Don't care
USA: 35-40% in favor, 40-45% oppose, 20% Don't care
Austria: 16% in favor, 69% oppose, 15% Don't care

This graphics shows that especially young people support the EU & US decision to intervene in Libya, while old people are opposed:



Young people of course also do not want Austria to get involved in Libya.

[Tender Branson]

New ATV Austria Trend Poll:

56% Keep the Draft
38% Abolish the Draft/Create Professional Army
  6% Undecided

46% If the Draft is abolished, there should be a voluntary Social Year instead of the Civil Service
45% If the Draft is abolished, there should be a mandatory Social Year instead of the Civil Service
  6% If the Draft is abolished, the Civil Service should be abolished as well
  3% Undecided

http://atv.at/binaries/asset/download_assets/1623359/file

[Tender Branson]

2 new polls out showing 2 different results:

OGM for "Kurier"-newspaper:

48% Keep the Draft
42% Abolish the Draft

49% The issue should be decided in a referendum
40% The SPÖVP government should find a solution for the issue

51% The ÖVP Army Reform Plan is better
38% The SPÖ Army Reform Plan is better

http://kurier.at/nachrichten/2100282.php

Gallup for "Österreich"-newspaper:



42% Keep the Draft
49% Abolish the Draft

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/OeVP-Nein-zu-Heeres-Abstimmung/27130653

[Antonio the Sixth]

So it won't be abolished eventually...

I HATE REFERENDUMS.

[Tender Branson]

So it won't be abolished eventually...

I HATE REFERENDUMS.

The ÖVP with their new leader has recently said that they are "strongly opposed" to holding a referendum on the issue.

Therefore nothing changes.

In Austria we have a word for it: "Dahinwurschtln" (dragging along)

[Franzl]

Glad we don't do referenda (federally at least) in Germany...

[Tender Branson]

SPÖ Chancellor Werner Faymann now has new plans for a referendum:

Because the "Party of No" (ÖVP) blocks every move to hold a referendum this year, Faymann said that he favors a referendum on the draft on election day 2013, on the same day as the parliamentary election.

If the ÖVP also blocks this, he said the SPÖ might go "other ways" with FPÖ/BZÖ/Greens in 2013 and implement a referendum with the parliamentary votes of the opposition.

Don't know if this is a wise idea, because FPÖ+ÖVP+BZÖ currently have between 55% and 60% together and holding the referendum on election day 2013 will almost certainly result in a loss for the SPÖ - or better said a win for the draft system.

http://derstandard.at/1304553709306/Wehrpflicht-Faymann-erwaegt-Volksbefragung-gleichzeitig-mit-Wahl

[Franzl]

How nice for the poor slaves still forced to serve until then.

[SPQR]

Mandatory civil service,abolish that BS called draft.

[Franzl]

Mandatory civil service,abolish that BS called draft.

How about real freedom and nothing mandatory?

[TheGlobalizer]

Mandatory civil service,abolish that BS called draft.

How about real freedom and nothing mandatory?

This.  Mandatory activity = slavery to the elite.

[Insula Dei]

Mandatory civil service,abolish that BS called draft.

How about real freedom and nothing mandatory?

This.  Mandatory activity = slavery to the elite.

Personally I think that most draftees deserve it. Clever people don't get drafted.

[Franzl]

Personally I think that most draftees deserve it. Clever people don't get drafted.

So punish the people that are too dumb/honest/uninformed by hauling them out of their 2nd semester at university or similar unpleasent situations?

It's often said in jest, but serious question: Why do you hate freedom?

[Insula Dei]

Personally I think that most draftees deserve it. Clever people don't get drafted.

So punish the people that are too dumb/honest/uninformed by hauling them out of their 2nd semester at university or similar unpleasent situations?

It's often said in jest, but serious question: Why do you hate freedom?

Well, clever people don't get stuck in the slums either, or so I am told.

[Franzl]

Well, clever people don't get stuck in the slums either, or so I am told.

Haha....I'd generally think you're joking, but I'm worried you might not be

Seriously, there is a rather significant difference between what private individuals do with their lives and what horrors (such as slave-like conscription and civil service) governments inflict on young men.

[SPQR]

Mandatory civil service,abolish that BS called draft.

How about real freedom and nothing mandatory?

One thing is to force people to go and train for the Army; another thing is to make them do mandatory community service in their spare time (thus not losing any uni time; this is what we had in Italy before the draft was removed).

Watching today's youth I am pretty convinced that civil service could only improve their mindset.

[Franzl]

Watching today's youth I am pretty convinced that civil service could only improve their mindset.

Typical. You think something is good for someone else and you want to force people to act according to your views. Is it such an awful thing to let people decide for themselves what's good for them without the state dictating it?

[TheGlobalizer]

Typical. You think something is good for someone else and you want to force people to act according to your views. Is it such an awful thing to let people decide for themselves what's good for them without the state dictating it?

Well, I think it would be good for women's morals if they wore burqas at all times.  Well, except for my 8 wives, when we're all in the harem room, in which case they shall all be naked.

It is, after all, for their own good.