Michael Moore's "Sicko" - banned in Cuba for exaggerating healthcare quality.

[tpfkaw]

From that hotbed of far-right extremism, The Guardian.

[Sewer]

Huh, I'd think Cuba would like exaggerating there healthcare quality??

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Huh, I'd think Cuba would like exaggerating there healthcare quality??

Not internally.  The last thing they want is for Cubans to realize other Cubans are getting better treatment than they are.

[memphis]

Huh, I'd think Cuba would like exaggerating there healthcare quality??

Not internally.  The last thing they want is for Cubans to realize other Cubans are getting better treatment than they are.

Or for that matter a few Americans. Life is all about expectations.

[Marokai Backbeat]

From that hotbed of far-right extremism, The Guardian.

And?

[phk]

From that hotbed of far-right extremism, The Guardian.

And?

Michael Moore has checked into a Miami weightloss spa.

[dead0man]

Clearly this is America's fault. (somehow)

[King]

Clearly this is America's fault. (somehow)

If America would just have single-payer, Michael Moore wouldn't have had to falsely romanticize Cuban care.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Clearly this is America's fault. (somehow)

If America would just have single-payer, Michael Moore wouldn't have had to falsely romanticize Cuban care.

True, he could have falsely romanticized American care instead.

[Mavvy]

I watched this movie in my AP US Gov class a few months ago, and was shocked at the blatant misrepresentations and lies the film gave, and the fact that it was being shown in school. I mean, it relates to politics, but it's so biased. And everyone in the class was brainwashed by it. I asked my math teacher, who is Cuban, if the healthcare was truly like that in Cuba, and he said it was a bunch of bullsh**t.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

At least it was more factual than a movie I was shown in U.S. History back when I was in high school: Gone With The Wind.  As you might expect, the teacher was also an assistant football coach.  (Note: I had some teacher/coaches who were good teachers, but this one fit the stereotype.)

[Associate Justice PiT]

At least it was more factual than a movie I was shown in U.S. History back when I was in high school: Gone With The Wind.  As you might expect, the teacher was also an assistant football coach.  (Note: I had some teacher/coaches who were good teachers, but this one fit the stereotype.)

     Did Gone With The Wind actually make a pretense of being factual, though?

[Fuzzybigfoot]

LOL    



The WHO ranks Cuba's health care system as the 39th best/least horrible healthcare system, and the US is at 37th.  Not exactly a stunning mandate for insurance industries.


http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

LOL    



The WHO ranks Cuba's health care system as the 39th best/least horrible healthcare system, and the US is at 37th.  Not exactly a stunning mandate for insurance industries.


http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

A ten year old list, compiled using 1997 data that in the case of Cuba was of questionable accuracy even then.  Even if it was accurate then, it's so old as to be worthless.

[courts]

LOL    



The WHO ranks Cuba's health care system as the 39th best/least horrible healthcare system, and the US is at 37th.  Not exactly a stunning mandate for insurance industries.


http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

That's mostly because they used inequality and a bunch of other flawed metrics as has already been pointed out. There is a reason plenty of cubans would rather risk being shark food than live over there another day.

[Fuzzybigfoot]

Oh.  Whoops.


But we do average only 49th in life expectancy.  Cuba's 53rd.    This info is from the CIA World Fact Book (2010 estimates).  


https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

Infant mortality rates in the US are actually worse than Cuba.  This year it's estimated that 6.14 infants out of 1000 will die within a year of exiting the womb.  In Cuba, it's 5.72.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html?countryName=Haiti&countryCode=ha&regionCode=ca&rank=18#ha

Not that I would like their health care, but I really think that the whole "free market" health care system is way overrated.  

The fact that a small, impoverished dictatorship can outrank us among even one key health statistic is ridiculous.  It really shows how much thought we put into our physical well being.

[King]

The US's deficiencies being at the level of Cuba doesn't make Cuba great.

[Fuzzybigfoot]

The US's deficiencies being at the level of Cuba doesn't make Cuba great.

Are you referring to my post?  I never said it was.  I was just saying that we wouldn't even have to make comparisons if we used our resources wisely. 

[Franzl]

I support publicly funded healthcare options...but to be fair, the U.S. system is certainly not "free market healthcare". I suspect it would function somewhat more efficiently if it were.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Infant mortality rates in the US are actually worse than Cuba.  This year it's estimated that 6.14 infants out of 1000 will die within a year of exiting the womb.  In Cuba, it's 5.72.

Part of that is due to higher abortion and stillbirth rates in Cuba for fetuses with marginal chances of survival outside the womb.  What in the United States goes in the books as a premature birth often leading to an infant death rarely gets counted as a birth in Cuba.

[Lief 🗽]

So, apparently the State Department cable saying that Sicko was banned in Cuba was a lie. Good job, Gruniad (and, to be fair, plenty of other "news" sources): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/viva-wikileaks-sicko-was_b_798586.html

[anvi]

Thanks for the update Lief. 

But I have heard friends from France complaining that Moore got stuff about their health care system wrong too.  People wishing to learn about health care systems in other countries are better advised to watch T.R. Reid's PBS special, or better yet, read his book, than watch Moore's film.

[Lief 🗽]

Thanks for the update Lief.  

But I have heard friends from France complaining that Moore got stuff about their health care system wrong too.  People wishing to learn about health care systems in other countries are better advised to watch T.R. Reid's PBS special, or better yet, read his book, than watch Moore's film.

T.R. Reid's book is terrific and highly recommended to anyone who wants to learn more about healthcare policy. It's also a fairly easy and quick read.

[Ban my account ffs!]

I watched this movie in my AP US Gov class a few months ago, and was shocked at the blatant misrepresentations and lies the film gave, and the fact that it was being shown in school. I mean, it relates to politics, but it's so biased. And everyone in the class was brainwashed by it. I asked my math teacher, who is Cuban, if the healthcare was truly like that in Cuba, and he said it was a bunch of bullsh**t.

OH yeah?  Well I once asked a guy who once smoked a Cuban cigar if the healthcare in cuba was truly like that... and he said it WAS!  So you can run and tell THAT, homeboy.

[Zarn]

I watched this movie in my AP US Gov class a few months ago, and was shocked at the blatant misrepresentations and lies the film gave, and the fact that it was being shown in school. I mean, it relates to politics, but it's so biased. And everyone in the class was brainwashed by it. I asked my math teacher, who is Cuban, if the healthcare was truly like that in Cuba, and he said it was a bunch of bullsh**t.

OH yeah?  Well I once asked a guy who once smoked a Cuban cigar if the healthcare in cuba was truly like that... and he said it WAS!  So you can run and tell THAT, homeboy.

Well, I'm Cuban. Does anyone want to use me as a source?

Everyone needs a Cuban source!!! lol