What percentage of people living in cities could easily move to suburbs?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I say 70-80%. Hell even I could.

[Torie]

What does the word "easily" mean here?  That you can afford it?  If so, most everyone.  For example, unlike in the old days, in most zip codes now, blacks will not get lynched in most zip codes if they move there. That was not so much the case when I was a young man. When I was a college student in Chicago, some black family moved to the west side of the demising street, putting them in Cicero, rather than Chicago. The ward boss had his people move them out that evening, with about a 1,000 hostile neighbors there to make sure the involuntary decampment went smoothly. Yes, I am not making this up.

But putting that aside, it is just an issue of tradeoffs. How many square feet do you want, at what price per square foot, what are the schools like, how long is the commute, does the ambiance, and do the amenities or lack thereof, fit in with your aesthetic and life style preferences, and so forth.

[Stranger in a strange land]

I could afford to, but it would be so inconvenient I wouldn't.

[memphis]

There are quite a few wholly destitute people in cities that have few options. Probably more than you'd think. Same's true for rural areas as well, but most of us never see them.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

There are quite a few wholly destitute people in cities that have few options. Probably more than you'd think. Same's true for rural areas as well, but most of us never see them.

No, I doubt there's that many and this is mostly a suburb-lover myth. Do you really think most people in Manhattan live there because they can't afford to live anywhere else?

[memphis]

There are quite a few wholly destitute people in cities that have few options. Probably more than you'd think. Same's true for rural areas as well, but most of us never see them.

No, I doubt there's that many and this is mostly a suburb-lover myth. Do you really think most people in Manhattan live there because they can't afford to live anywhere else?

Do you think Manhattan is in any way representative of most places? That's like the people who want to give millionaires tax cuts b/c omgz manhattan is expensive. And even in Manhattan there are tons of people in projects.  Sure, there are lots of people in cities who choose to live there. There are also lots of people who are poorer than you'd believe.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

There are quite a few wholly destitute people in cities that have few options. Probably more than you'd think. Same's true for rural areas as well, but most of us never see them.

No, I doubt there's that many and this is mostly a suburb-lover myth. Do you really think most people in Manhattan live there because they can't afford to live anywhere else?

Do you think Manhattan is in any way representative of most places? That's like the people who want to give millionaires tax cuts b/c omgz manhattan is expensive. And even in Manhattan there are tons of people in projects.  Sure, there are lots of people in cities who choose to live there. There are also lots of people who are poorer than you'd believe.

I see them but they don't seem to be the majority.

[memphis]

There are quite a few wholly destitute people in cities that have few options. Probably more than you'd think. Same's true for rural areas as well, but most of us never see them.

No, I doubt there's that many and this is mostly a suburb-lover myth. Do you really think most people in Manhattan live there because they can't afford to live anywhere else?

Do you think Manhattan is in any way representative of most places? That's like the people who want to give millionaires tax cuts b/c omgz manhattan is expensive. And even in Manhattan there are tons of people in projects.  Sure, there are lots of people in cities who choose to live there. There are also lots of people who are poorer than you'd believe.

I see them but they don't seem to be the majority.

Did I say they were? I said there were "quite a few," and you said no. If you don't think there are quite a few, you really haven't been paying attention.

[Torie]

There are slum suburbs in most major metro areas now. We have Compton in LA (or how about the now famous Bell, where a sizable percentage of the city government is going to jail?), Inkster in Detroit (or Hamtramack, that just went BK), Richmond and South Palo Alto in SF, and I could go on and on. It is not an issue of money per se in most cases.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Hamtramck doesn't really count as it's entirely surrounded by Detroit.

[Torie]

Hamtramck doesn't really count as it's entirely surrounded by Detroit.

I suspected you might catch me out on that, BRTD. Very good! Whenever you can manage to nick a lawyer, you are doing the Lord's work.   But Detroit has a bevy of non surrounded grotty suburbs. Have you ever been to that place from hell known as Romulus?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

No I've never been to metro Detroit. The worst I've to for suburbs is Brooklyn Center, which is probably worse than my neighborhood but significantly safer than the area to my immediate west.

[Verily]

What percentage of people living in suburbs could easily move to cities?

[King]

0%. Moving anywhere is hard work.  A lot of paperwork to be filed, packing boxes, etc., etc.  No such thing as an easy move.

[Хahar 🤔]

Richmond and South Palo Alto in SF

East Palo Alto. Strike two, old man.

[memphis]

What percentage of people living in suburbs could easily move to cities?

Good point. Depends how you define easily. In theory, a working class white family could move to a nasty ghetto. Just isn't all that likely.  White people are definately priced out of their neighborhoods (especially if you consider the price of private school) in many cities.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

What percentage of people living in suburbs could easily move to cities?

Good point. Depends how you define easily. In theory, a working class white family could move to a nasty ghetto. Just isn't all that likely.  White people are definately priced out of their neighborhoods (especially if you consider the price of private school) in many cities.

I've never really bought that considering such neighborhoods tend to be full of slacker hipster types.

[memphis]

What percentage of people living in suburbs could easily move to cities?

Good point. Depends how you define easily. In theory, a working class white family could move to a nasty ghetto. Just isn't all that likely.  White people are definately priced out of their neighborhoods (especially if you consider the price of private school) in many cities.

I've never really bought that considering such neighborhoods tend to be full of slacker hipster types.

Those slacker hispter types often have rich parents suporting them and often live 3 or four to an apartment. Doesn't work well for many people.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

What percentage of people living in suburbs could easily move to cities?

Good point. Depends how you define easily. In theory, a working class white family could move to a nasty ghetto. Just isn't all that likely.  White people are definately priced out of their neighborhoods (especially if you consider the price of private school) in many cities.

I've never really bought that considering such neighborhoods tend to be full of slacker hipster types.

Those slacker hispter types often have rich parents supporting them and often live 3 or four to an apartment. Doesn't work well for many people.

I live alone in a studio and I don't get money from my parents. My apartment is almost all studios, and I doubt most people here just live off their parents.

[memphis]

What percentage of people living in suburbs could easily move to cities?

Good point. Depends how you define easily. In theory, a working class white family could move to a nasty ghetto. Just isn't all that likely.  White people are definately priced out of their neighborhoods (especially if you consider the price of private school) in many cities.

I've never really bought that considering such neighborhoods tend to be full of slacker hipster types.

Those slacker hispter types often have rich parents supporting them and often live 3 or four to an apartment. Doesn't work well for many people.

I live alone in a studio and I don't get money from my parents. My apartment is almost all studios, and I doubt most people here just live off their parents.

I couldn't easily move into a studio. I like that I have a living room and a kitchen and a yard where I can put my dog when I don't feel like keeping an eye on her. Most people in the burbs want to live in more than one room. Especially people with families.

[patrick1]

I'm glad Memphis at least reminded BRTD that all cities aren't created equal. Clean it up, BRTD. Some things are more complex than City, good- Suburbs, bad.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Some things are more complex than City, good- Suburbs, bad.

Not here.

[Ebowed]

I guess if I felt like wasting a lot of money on buying a car and using up gasoline all goddamn day, yeah, I'd move into the suburbs.  But no, that would not be 'easy', and I don't think it would be especially easy for most of my friends either.

[Torie]

Richmond and South Palo Alto in SF

East Palo Alto. Strike two, old man.

Being perfect all the time is just such hard work.   I was hoping that my excuse would be that East Palo Alto is in fact south of Palo Alto, so it should be called South Palo Alto, and it is not my fault that the moniker folks don't know how to read a compass, but alas East Palo Alto is to the north of Palo Alto, so there goes that excuse. What do I do now?