What do you think about dont Ask don't tell latest development?

[afleitch]

I go to the gym three times a week and often shower. If the need for 'seperate showers for the gays' hasn't crossed the gym owners minds, or the gym users minds why on earth are they needed in the military?

do those in the gym showering with you know your sexual orientation?

Personally I go to the gym to work out and use the shower to get clean. Sure I end up bollock naked, honed muscles dripping with water soaping up my shaggy public hair in the shower and letting everything swing about due to the equal application of gravity and motion but I can’t help that. Now and again with my eyes smarting from the shampoo and without my glasses I might bump into someone. All that’s exchanged however are a few apologies. I’m in there to shower and change; I don’t hide in a corner masturbating like a bonobo monkey.

As for whether people know if I’m gay so do and some don’t. Usually it’s polite to introduce myself by saying ‘Hi I’m Andrew’ rather than ‘Hi I’m gay.’ I usually find people are more interested in my name. Funny that. On some occasions, with a few guys I know it’s came up; the only responses I get are ‘cool’, ‘how long have you two been together?’ or ‘chuck me over your deodorant pal I left mine in my other bag.’

If someone did complain and went the management they’d be told in the politest terms to ‘f-ck off, this is a gym we have an equality policy and it’s 2011.’ Though the only ones who would are those so damned ugly that even an accidental glance would cause most gays to shudder, so immature they can’t separate nakedness from sex, so closeted that they are the ones most likely to jack off in a corner before saying 10 Hail Mary’s or so generally disliked that going to the gym is the only time people get within three feet of them on a working day without excusing themselves

[opebo]

...I find it dumbfounding that we worship the altar of political correctness to the point that we rather have:
1) everyone, including children women and the elderly fondled at the airports instead of profiling, and
2) force our soldiers to accept showering with others they know are sexually attracted to their sex when the problem can be easily solved with separate showers.

Well, there are some problems with your assumptions.  In the first place, profiling is just too easy to get around, so it isn't all that useful, and the fondling is hardly unpleasant for the healthy and confident person.  (if anything I'd say it is the TSA who is being 'sexually harassed' by having to fondle me.. but maybe that's just me).  Secondly, regarding 'separate showers', how can you ever be sure who is attracted to who? (whom?)  It just strikes me as something we'll never really be able to get down to an exact science, this desire to know what everyone is thinking, privately, at all times.

(by the way, 'Black Beans' or 'Tuah-Dham' is Thai slang for a gay).

[Torie]

My gym (Equinox -  Newport Beach) is rumored to have a considerable gay contingent as members. A few fellow gym rats that  I chat with, are no doubt gay (there is this one really effusive bottle blond guy who is or was a professional photographer, and we gossip about that). But it is hard to tell by looking, because most folks are so totally buffed that in that sense everyone looks gay, and some of the women - well let us just say, I would not want to get into a physical altercation with them. No, they don't look like dykes on bikes, but their every muscle is honed, and in the kicking routines I watch some of them go through with their trainers, they scare the heck out of me. One lady boxes with her trainer, and she really enjoys throwing a punch. 

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Feel the love here!

Its so nice belonging to a pro-gay rights church. Gives Christianity a good name compared to the usual "gays are icky so Jesus must've disapproved too" crowd.

http://www.ucc.org/lgbt/about.html

The other side of the argument, FWIW.

http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-walter-wink

Excellent! Yeah it is nice to belong to a real church and not one of these false ones like BushOklahoma and jmfcst go to.

[Lunar]

2) force our soldiers to accept showering with others they know are sexually attracted to their sex when the problem can be easily solved with separate showers.

So forcing gay soldiers to shower exclusively with other gay guys solves that how...

[opebo]

To be honest, I find membership in any gymnasium to be a sign of the gay - I mean to the extent that I would just assume that anyone who goes to a gymnasium is a gay.

I find military men ambiguous - they seem gay, but one can't be sure.

[Torie]

To be honest, I find membership in any gymnasium to be a sign of the gay - I mean to the extent that I would just assume that anyone who goes to a gymnasium is a gay.

I find military men ambiguous - they seem gay, but one can't be sure.

This may shock you Opebo, but there actually are a few straight men out there who are physically fit. And unless you do physical labor for a living, that as a practical matter means you need to go to the gym - regularly.

But yes gays tend on average to be more serious about aesthetics, including the aesthetics of the body, and in particular their own.   Body fat on myself just offends me, and I performed an exorcism on it. I just willed that it be gone, and like magic, it was. And there you have it.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

2) force our soldiers to accept showering with others they know are sexually attracted to their sex when the problem can be easily solved with separate showers.

So forcing gay soldiers to shower exclusively with other gay guys solves that how...

Definitely doesn't solve it.  Just because someone is gay does not mean that they want to shower with others who would admire their junk.