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« Reply #525 on: February 29, 2012, 10:24:20 pm »
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Those districts that span Manhattan and Brooklyn always look awful.
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« Reply #526 on: February 29, 2012, 11:10:44 pm »
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Plaintiff-Intervenor Map, perhaps the strangest so far:

Upstate, LI:


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This map seems to preserve the worst of the current gerrymandering with even newer oddly shaped features.   Rochester gets custody of Ithaca in a bizarrely-shaped district.  The Binghamton area is split into two CDs.  Utica gets combined into the North Country District.  And the Long Island districts are totally reworked, with a North Shore and South Shore district crossing county lines.

Hinchey's district is obviously dismantled.  What they eliminate downstate is less clear.
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« Reply #527 on: February 29, 2012, 11:53:26 pm »
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Plaintiff-Intervenor Map, perhaps the strangest so far:

Seems obviously like something drawn with a least-change mandate, except around Rochester of course.  Again, upstate is less "Hinchey dismantled" and more "Hinchey/Gibson combined".  In NYC it's actually crystal clear that Crowley and Turner's district are the two which get combined, which is actually pretty reasonable.  Upstate is actually not that bad either, except for the 23/26/27 troika.

I continue to hate that all of these maps want to preserve the Velasquez gerrymander and Nadler's Brooklyn portion... but the downstate portions are better than the Assembly Republican proposal at least.  The Unity map is a bit better than this one except for the reliance on water contiguity in NY-7.

I think if I had to choose between these three proposals, all of which mostly suck in different ways, I'd take the Plaintiff-Intervenor's Long Island, Unity's NYC, and the Assembly R's Upstate.
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« Reply #528 on: March 01, 2012, 12:08:10 am »
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The NYS Senate Republicans' map:



Syracuse gets custody of Ithaca.  The Albany district gets part of Ulster County in the Hinchey Carve-Up.  As we already knew, Ackerman faces off against McCarthy.
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« Reply #529 on: March 01, 2012, 12:26:36 am »
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The NYS Senate Republicans' map:

This is the first one where I think you can actually say for sure it's Hinchey's district that gets eliminated.  And the results are predictably bad- but then they balance it out by having the best West NY we've seen so far.

As for NYC... they've managed to make South Brooklyn even uglier than the current map.  Good job!
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« Reply #530 on: March 01, 2012, 01:54:06 am »
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Senate Republicans' Albany district is really astoundingly awful.
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« Reply #531 on: March 01, 2012, 10:54:41 am »
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The NYS Senate Republicans' map:



Syracuse gets custody of Ithaca.  The Albany district gets part of Ulster County in the Hinchey Carve-Up.  As we already knew, Ackerman faces off against McCarthy.

Looks like Nadler condenses into Manhattan?

The assembly map seems to try to preserve a district for Buerkhle. The Senate map seems to just write it off by putting Cornell there.

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« Reply #532 on: March 01, 2012, 01:43:24 pm »
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The Assembly Dems' proposal isn't showing up on the docket list, but it can be found here:

https://www.nyed.uscourts.gov/pub/docs/cv/11-5632/party/

Separated into four maps (LI, NYC, Rockland/Westchester/Upstate) and an document explaining/justifying the districts.

Executive summary: Crowley and Turner are combined in an all-Queens district,  Meeks stays entirely within Queens, Ackerman is basically told to move out of Long Island and represent a Queens-Bronx combo, the rest of NYC is minimal change.  The most quote-heavy portions of the explanation, of course, are those which say that a) both Brooklyn and Manhattan's Chinatown need to be together in Velasquez's district, and b) all the rabbis in Boro Park and seniors in Coney Island love themselves some Jerry Nadler.

Upstate, Hinchey is the obvious victim, but a lot of other congresscritters up there probably wouldn't like this map.  Hayworth takes in most of Ulster and all of Duchess, and withdraws from the non-river portions of Orange, sure looks to me like she's being targeted.  Gibson moves south and stays marginal.  Owens is not particularly shored up but instead takes on Utica/Rome, as the Owens-Hanna line moves to a roughly northwest-southeast configuration- I think that's the oddest part of this map actually.  Syracuse gets Ithaca, of course, and the Monroe district also takes in most of Ontario County for reasons I don't quite fathom.  The one incumbent upstate who would be doing backflips and jumping jacks is Hochul, who is given the black areas of Buffalo which were part of the earmuffs before.  Again, lots of quotes in support of that move.

All in all, somewhat similar to Plaintiff-Intervenor.
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« Reply #533 on: March 01, 2012, 01:50:16 pm »
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This has a really strange 20th. The 25th is also pretty weird.
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« Reply #534 on: March 01, 2012, 02:01:30 pm »
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The Assembly Dems' proposal isn't showing up on the docket list, but it can be found here:

Screenshots for those who don't want to download the map:









As with all the others, some good features but probably more bad ones.  If we assume that Velasquez's district has to stay as is (since every map has done so), then NYC is pretty good in this proposal; I'm a big fan of this NY-6 in particular.  But there's no earthly reason that NY-20 should exist, or why NY-25 can't just stay all in Monroe.
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« Reply #535 on: March 01, 2012, 02:13:16 pm »
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I can see why Ruben Diaz was upset about the assembly map.

The Bronx only gets 1 Rep guaranteed there while Manhattan gets 3.
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« Reply #536 on: March 01, 2012, 03:54:12 pm »
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Why would a court dismantle Turner's district instead of some combination of Ackerman, McCarthy, and King? The Orthodox Jewish neighborhoods in southern Brooklyn form a pretty clear community of interest. If anything a fair map would unsplit the Jewish pockets instead of cracking them.

because the judge is a democrat appointee who lives in one of the most liberal parts of Brooklyn and probably hates orthodox jews with a passion.
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« Reply #537 on: March 01, 2012, 04:13:49 pm »
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All of these maps are terrible, in my opinion.
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« Reply #538 on: March 01, 2012, 05:36:16 pm »
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All of these maps are terrible, in my opinion.

I thoroughly agree
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« Reply #539 on: March 01, 2012, 06:58:12 pm »
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Why would a court dismantle Turner's district instead of some combination of Ackerman, McCarthy, and King? The Orthodox Jewish neighborhoods in southern Brooklyn form a pretty clear community of interest. If anything a fair map would unsplit the Jewish pockets instead of cracking them.

because the judge is a democrat appointee who lives in one of the most liberal parts of Brooklyn and probably hates orthodox jews with a passion.

How does the last point follow from the first two even remotely? There are reasons to not want Bob Turner representing the district that he represents that have nothing to do with Jews, Orthodox or otherwise.
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« Reply #540 on: March 01, 2012, 07:15:47 pm »
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I can see why Ruben Diaz was upset about the assembly map.

The Bronx only gets 1 Rep guaranteed there while Manhattan gets 3.

The Bronx would still have two reps- Serrano and Engel.
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« Reply #541 on: March 01, 2012, 07:49:08 pm »
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Why would a court dismantle Turner's district instead of some combination of Ackerman, McCarthy, and King? The Orthodox Jewish neighborhoods in southern Brooklyn form a pretty clear community of interest. If anything a fair map would unsplit the Jewish pockets instead of cracking them.

because the judge is a democrat appointee who lives in one of the most liberal parts of Brooklyn and probably hates orthodox jews with a passion.

How does the last point follow from the first two even remotely? There are reasons to not want Bob Turner representing the district that he represents that have nothing to do with Jews, Orthodox or otherwise.

there are enough jews in Southern Brooklyn to create a majority conservative (Orthodox+Russian) jewish district the fact that they don't want to make one and make this the most gerrymandered neighborhood in the country (the neighborhood jews call Flatbush which has 5 Congressional seats is the only neighborhood in the country that has even 4 Congressional seats).
Any fair redistricting would not nullify the orthodox vote (the district I made would kick both Grimm and Turner out of Jewish Brooklyn).

The Republican plan gave The biggest parts of the jewish community to both Grimm and Turner to maximize their vote.
and the democrat anti Semites in the assembly and (self hating Jew at the lead (everyone in the Orthodox jewish community knows this)) divided us in to minced meat so we have no say.

And most likely the liberal judge would have no objections to politically destroying the orthodox community.

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« Reply #542 on: March 01, 2012, 08:12:43 pm »
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Again, I'm really not sure it's because you guys are Jewish. It sounds more like it's because you lean conservative. Do you really think it would be any different if you were some other religion/ethnicity with the same political leanings?
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« Reply #543 on: March 01, 2012, 09:17:30 pm »
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Again, I'm really not sure it's because you guys are Jewish. It sounds more like it's because you lean conservative. Do you really think it would be any different if you were some other religion/ethnicity with the same political leanings?
yes the dems plan doesn't break up SI (if they wanted to gerrymander strictly on partisan lines Grimm wouldn't have a chance)

besides how would this line come across "I'm not racist but I just divided up black neighborhoods at unprecedented rates because they vote democrat"
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« Reply #544 on: March 01, 2012, 09:23:24 pm »
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It would come across as cynically and shamelessly partisan and venal but I wouldn't view it as motivated by racism in particular, no.

What I'm interested in is why would the New York Democratic Party, much of which is Jewish if the Jewish Democratic US Senator, five Jewish Democratic US Representatives, and Orthodox Jewish Democratic Assembly Speaker are any indication, be motivated by anti-Semitism, and if it's a question, as I suspect it partially is at least to you, of internal friction within Judaism as a religion and Jews as a people, then how on Earth is that anti-Semitic?
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« Reply #545 on: March 01, 2012, 09:26:31 pm »
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5 districts? NY Jew, have you seen what they did to Austin?
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« Reply #546 on: March 01, 2012, 09:37:35 pm »
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It would come across as cynically and shamelessly partisan and venal but I wouldn't view it as motivated by racism in particular, no.

What I'm interested in is why would the New York Democratic Party, much of which is Jewish if the Jewish Democratic US Senator, five Jewish Democratic US Representatives, and Orthodox Jewish Democratic Assembly Speaker are any indication, be motivated by anti-Semitism, and if it's a question, as I suspect it partially is at least to you, of internal friction within Judaism as a religion and Jews as a people, then how on Earth is that anti-Semitic?
More then liberal jews hate Christians they hate conservative Jews and more then that Orthodox Jews. (Sheldon Silver is someone who would kill his own mother for more power and everyone knows it).

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« Reply #547 on: March 01, 2012, 09:40:48 pm »
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5 districts? NY Jew, have you seen what they did to Austin?
please tell me the neighborhood in Austin that has 5 Congressional districts.
Espchilly considering the whole city (not just a neighborhood a neighborhood that has a fraction of Austin's population and size) has only 3 CDs

Brooklyn was added to the voting rights act because the black community which was bigger was divided in to 5 CDs at a time when NY had more CDs and each one had much less people.
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More then liberal jews hate liberal christians they hate Conservative and even more Orthodox Jews.


This is, on several levels, one of the strangest sentences I've ever read, and I study Japanese serial fiction from the 1920s.
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More then liberal jews hate liberal christians they hate Conservative and even more Orthodox Jews.


This is, on several levels, one of the strangest sentences I've ever read, and I study Japanese serial fiction from the 1920s.
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