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pbrower2a
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« on: January 01, 2011, 03:57:58 PM »

Odds are definitely against him, especiallly if Jeb Bush makes an (unlikely) run for Senate. Overall if the Republican nominee is good than he will lost Florida.

The Republicans need a miracle to win overall. The most recent PPP polls show Obama winning against every major Republican candidate in Ohio and Florida and against everyone but Huckabee in North Carolina. No polls say anything about the President in either Colorado or Nevada, but in view of Republican losses in those two states of the Senate seat in a bad year for Democrats, those two states seem to be drifting away from the Republicans.

This is a time of mass discontent with politicians of all kinds, and the GOP has far more convincing to do than does President Obama. An economic miracle that saves the GOP hold of the House and allows the GOP to take over the Senate solidifies the chance of re-election of President Obama.


Sure, if it all boils down to Florida, then President Obama loses because he would have lost a bunch of states that should be easy wins. If he wins Florida he is also winning Iowa, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, and New Hampshire any way -- and he is already on the way to winning about 360 electoral votes as in 2008 because he is also winning Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia, and one of Arizona, Georgia, Indiana, and Missouri.
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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2011, 02:57:09 PM »

Florida could be on of a small number of tossups, too close to call.
Here's is a map showing 266-206-66:



Except that I would also put North Carolina in gray, that is my map. But President Obama isn't going to win North Carolina without also winning Virginia; in the absence of current polls, I could say that he has no chance of winning Indiana without also winning Ohio. So  your map is practical. I concur with both Colorado and Nevada being more secure for the President than is Iowa.

That is a very good map.

So far, everyone bit Huckabee loses North Carolina to President Obama.
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2011, 03:15:11 PM »

Obama is leading EVERY republican candidate at this moment. he WILL win florida Wink

Incumbents always have the upper hand, if he was losing in the polls now before the election has even begun then it would be a landslide for republicans.

Indeed they have to be in deep trouble before the campaign season begins -- corruption, incompetence, irrelevance, reputation as an extremist, personal scandals... Such shows in approval ratings in the 30s and low 40s for Senators and Governors. Incumbents almost often gain something during the campaign, but for a real turkey the gain is almost never enough.   

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1. Minneapolis was the convention site for the Republicans in 2008; how did that work out?

2. Sanctions on Cuba may be becoming more of a hardship for Cuban-Americans than something to be seen as a great principle worthy of some sacrifice. Fidel Castro could vanish from the scene at any time; when such is so, it would be best that sanctions are gone. Cuba isn't exactly North Korea.

3. Jeb running? If so, then the Favorite Son effect removes Florida from contention for the Democrats, who then will have to look elsewhere. But Jeb Bush has to run for President for such to be so. The Obama campaign then would probably try to work on other states -- like Arizona, Georgia, Indiana, Missouri, and -- who knows -- Texas.     

4. Weak foreign policy? Relations have gotten better with about every country except Iran and North Korea, and if relations with both countries remain execrable one can't fault the President.

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The GOP seems to be in a position now of having lost most of what it dare lose with too many toss-ups.
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2011, 11:39:11 AM »

In that case, Florida went to Bush in 2000, so theres a closer example.

Ok, so let's put it this way. We have two options:

1. Florida has a pro-incumbent bias.
2. Florida is a Republican state that unexpectedly swung to vote close to the national median in 1996 and 2000.

2000 still needs an explanation.

He got by with a little help from his friends.

Let's just get the partisan hacks out of the administration of elections -- OK?
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